I like those a lot. I will probably be in for it once I see the GB terms, but I think I am liking what I'm seeing.

I believe DTN already adressed the issue w the 1 10mm bolt there, unless I'm reading it wrong.

I think its in bad taste to call BS on RedZ. To ask questions is one thing, but to call BS...your not gunna get anywhere doin that.

 

^^^

Why is it any different with redz then anyone else?

 

Listen. I'm calling BS because there is no way these could prevent torque steer. Torque steer is caused by the fact that you have different sized half-shafts on either side of the differential, that, with the fact that we have OPEN differential designs, means that you get torque steer. Ever seen a FWD do a one-wheel burn out? It's the same concept.

Please explain to me how a damper on the side of an engine mount will solve this problem.

Damn, why get a Quaife LSD for 1000$ when you can get a damper that solves your traction problems? Get my flow? I'm not insulting RedZ, I like him. But just calling BS. Maybe he just used the wrong term. I just don't want people to buy this thinking it will cure their torque steer problems. And like darkmoon said, RedZ is a human being like everyone else. Sure, he could ban me, but I did not violate any rules with my post.

Everyone can word something wrong, and I was just pointing it out.

I usually don't read DTN's posts so I might've missed what he said, lol

BTW for some reason those new pics werent showing up the first time, that bracket looks MUCH better and you no longer have the 10mm bolt problem it seems.

 

Lets not squabble here. KeWLKat made a valid point, dually noted. This is the first time I've seen this thread. I'm in for one.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Mr. Muffin @ Feb 19 2008, 02:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>redz could u take a video of u revving with it installed?(vs uninstalled possibly)

how bout movement on the larger ones; its gonna move more cause the cylinder longer right?(like travel wise and/or spring rates) or is it longer so it reaches another mount?</div>

Not right now I can't. I can later, but all you'll see is no movement afterwards.

Npe, the larger ones are just made for cars that need a longer piece.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KeWLKaT @ Feb 19 2008, 03:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You said "no torque steer''. I have to call BS</div>

I have to call that you haven't had it on your car. It eliminated my torque steer and wheel hopping.

Higher HP folks may have issues, but I no longer do with it installed. Fabreez made the same statements, so that's 2 cars, with this installed, with the same results.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Torque steer has nothing to do with engine vibrations. It has to do with the open differential design. Unless you get an LSD or at least an insert for the differential there is no way of getting rid of torque steer.</div>

No one said it had anything to do with engine vibrations. I can still spin my tires all I want. When I STOP the car, then HIT THE GAS, my steering wheel no longer turns.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Maybe ''no wheel hop'', but the torque steer will still always be there.</div>

Thanks, I know the difference. if you want to argue semantics or something, go post it somewhere else, this thread is to show the new product. If you have issues with theory or something, post it elsewhere on the site.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>You do realize that putting this the way you are is making that very tiny L-shaped bracket over by the strut tower have intense constraints that migh cause fatigue in the material and failure early in life? Just because it doesn't break on the first try doesn't mean it'll last XX amount of time.</div>

There is no tiny L shaped bracket over by the strut tower bar.

Of course, putting any part on not originally made to go on the car can cause early failure, damge, or fatigue. It's part of the risk of modifying your car.

As for something not breaking on the first try, I'm seeing you don't know what you are talking about. These are installed on hundreds of cars, think ours are the first? They are installed on these SAME places on other kits, made for Hyundai's. No issues that I've seen on NT or other sites. I drove mine hard for an hour with the damper installed, and with the final brackets (guess you didn't read the whole thread AGAIN), I will drive it for at least 1 to 2 weeks, HARD, to evaluate it. As I posted above.

You really should read before you post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What material are those brackets made out from? Also, do you know what the stress threshold of the stock bolt is with perpendicularly applied constraints? All the force created by the motor is transmitted to that one single bolt, but mainly hitting it perpendicular from it's main axis.</div>

The brackets are made from construction paper covered in plaster and painted with asbestos. What does it LOOK like they are made of? LOL Steel. As for your second question... WTF? I'm not taking physics, please, move your math based questions to another thread. Or, perhaps, read the WHOLE thread, to see what the current status is on these.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What I mean is that perhaps you guys should do some more testing with these. I doubt you made any actual analysis of the resistance of the materials on these things, but at least test them for a couple of weeks/months.</div>

Idoubt we made any actual analysis either. These are a proven part, for many different models, we aren't reinventing the wheel here bud. If you actually read, the entire thread, every word, you'd know where we are at, and what we are doing with them. You obviously didn't, since you are going off of the first pics I took when first installed for proof of concept.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>On that note, the bracket on top of the motor mount looks nicely designed, but I would re-think the position of the second one.</div>

Good thing you aren't making them then.

Don't post in here again, these aren't even for your car. You aren't reading the thread, and have no grip on the current state of the project. Post your theory stuff elsewhere. The motor mounts are made to handle lots of torque, so are the strut mounts (hint hint), so these will be fine where they are. Coming in and scaring off folks interested in a new modification is half the reason it's impossible to sell stuff to Hyundai Tuners anymore, they all think they are smarter than the folks with the engineering degrees designing stuff.

MODS, please split this thread to a new one.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdamW @ Feb 19 2008, 03:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I like those a lot. I will probably be in for it once I see the GB terms, but I think I am liking what I'm seeing.

I believe DTN already adressed the issue w the 1 10mm bolt there, unless I'm reading it wrong.</div>

I don't think you are up to date either. Please read the thread. There's no place that's being held on by one 10MM bolt.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KeWLKaT @ Feb 19 2008, 03:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Damn, why get a Quaife LSD for 1000$ when you can get a damper that solves your traction problems? Get my flow? I'm not insulting RedZ, I like him. But just calling BS. Maybe he just used the wrong term. I just don't want people to buy this thinking it will cure their torque steer problems. And like darkmoon said, RedZ is a human being like everyone else. Sure, he could ban me, but I did not violate any rules with my post.</div>

Who said it solves all traction problems? You need to get your facts straight Kewlkat, Ido NOT have a problem banning anyone for outright lying.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Everyone can word something wrong, and I was just pointing it out.</div>

Yes, they can, I didn't.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>BTW for some reason those new pics werent showing up the first time, that bracket looks MUCH better and you no longer have the 10mm bolt problem it seems.</div>

Guess you should fully read something before you put your over technical foot in your mouth?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (majikTib @ Feb 19 2008, 02:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>are we close to having an estimated price? like within a $5-10 range?</div>

Yes.

LOL

BTW, I'd like to note, for ANY new part to get made, you have to test it, and try various ways of doing it. I tried about 4 different mounting combinations, and this is the only one that will work 100%. After you get something fitted, you TEST it for some time. I'm obviously testing this one, as I am the KFX exhaust.

This adds to the time before items come out to be in your hands, but at least you get something that we know the ins and out ofs.

 

dtns first post here is what I was reffering to w the 10mm bolt thing there. said it didnt look too secure, coresponding which what i believed to be kewlkat's questions.

only reason it wuld be bad to call BS here is cuz hes the one that had them on the car and has the most experience w them. thats all.
redz i PMed u about these as well, as far as when they come out. u'll see it in ur PM.

 

REDZ!
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Sure thing.

I'd also like to note, as I tried to get to above, is if you are making more power, you are going to have more severe torque steer, and wheel hop. I'm making maybe 140 WHP now with the exhaust, and my problems are gone.

 

ouch the e gravel lmao.gif

i dont see how it can affect torque steer at all really...
but i would beleive that u will have a higher point before breaking traction, when accelerating. <thats the main thing

this is not going to stop my car from doing a peg leg burnout tho! lmao

 

wow - now that I'm home and on a nice monitor (as opposed to a 10 year old CRT) I can see the pics!! Is that strut bracket fitting all 3 bolts?