Where do you guys install the AEM BYPASS FILTER ona AEM CAI??? Its a one piece system.

 

They can go right before the MAF which could cause flow problems and irregularities into the MAF, or you could chop the intake in half and put it under the battery somewhere.

 

Well it might be a lot more cleaning but in NE ohio we get rain in days at a time it if you know its coming taking five min to install for the week then when its dry again take it off clean it till you need it again.

 

Fiero

all i was saying is that your stories were changing, first you were in south dakota, then in florida but it was for the same story, just pointing out you need to get your stories straight

as far as pulling over everytime it rains, thats not at all what i was saying. i was saying that your "monsoon" rain fall and a stalled engine WOULD be a good reason to pull over and remove your air filter, not that "oh its sprinkling outside, better go take off the filter"

 

Guys, the intake doesnt sit THAT low. I drove through hard rain with my AEM with no bypass and never had any issues. I can see a small amount of water getting in and not causing any real issues other than maybe it dies and you can restart and be fine. But in order to have it fill the combustion chamber to the point where you bend a rod is crazy. You would need to drive through a puddle which would be your own fault.

The bypasses are a waste in my mind. Just drive smart. Even if its pouring the only way anything should happen is if the intake is under water. Thats just my experience.

 

^^ agreed, even though my "cai" isnt an official "cai" because it doesnt sit in the fender well, it still gets ALOT of water from the splash guard, and i have driven throught puddles that are almost a foot or more deep, and havent had a problem

i looked at bypass valves like the ones DTN posted and they didnt seem worth it, and i've had mine on for over a year and never have had a problem with anything on it

 

My .02 cents:

- get a short ram instead of a cai
- if you decide to get a cai ANYWAY, carry a spare filter in the trunk and change when pouring; it's pretty quick to change
- get a bypass valve as well. I like the feeling of having a backup just in case something happens (you lend your car to a friend, you didn't notice a pot-hole,... you never know)

 

RABBLE!!

I just wanted to become part of this heated CAI discussion...

I sucked water in my 7's cai, and it just blew lots of white smoke for a while. Then the next day when it heated up past 100, the corrosion inside my flap type maf caused the car to run plain weird. I mean, it just ran unpredictable. The little flapper started sticking in spots.

Mine was just about a couple inches from the road, and it was a deep puddle. Everyone knows the dangers of using a cai, and what they care to do about it is up to them. If they feel like locking their engines up, that's up to the individual. Me... I'll just drive 10 under when it starts flooding here. At least that way I can stop when I see a bigass puddle, then go around it.

 

Wow, this sparked a heated debate eh?

Calm down everyone.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4g64fiero @ Dec 4 2008, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>So your claiming there will never be a situation that you cant control in which your engine can be hydrolocked? bigeyes.gif</div>

No, not claiming that at all, it's plain fact. You are driving the car, they are YOUR choices, both to modify the car or to cross the river in front of you. same theory goes to the fact that the person in the back of a pileup gets the first ticket. Why? You ALWAYS have control of how much room is in front of you. If you hit someone in front of you it's your fault. they slammed on their brakes? Tough, you should have left enough space to stop easily.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, if youve ever had body kit where the filter sticks through, you would know it can easily get soaked and bog the car down ALOT until it eventually stalls ESPECIALLY at higher speeds. That in itself is reason enough to get a bypass.</div>

A soaked filter will allow air through, you'll just get some water vapor sucked through also. You will NOT get water sucked into your engine unless you are at relatively medium to high speeds, going through enough water to submerge the filter. You can look up the videos proving this online, as I have nothing to prove. At lower speeds, the engine will stall before water makes it up the pipe.

Using your line of reasoning, try this. Go get a washcloth, soak it water, put it over your mouth and nose, and breathe in really hard. Wow, you can still breathe. A bit of water might sprinkle into your mouth, but you aren't going to drown. Hell, try the same thing through a straw or small hose, bet you don't get any water at all before you hyperventillate.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (UrS0NvS @ Dec 4 2008, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so nobody has to open the link, here is what happened...

Its was a sunny day out yesterday, so I went to the pawn shop to pick up some sockets that I could use to take off some keyed lugnuts I dont have the key for.</div>

offtopic.gif , but this sounds like you were going to go steal some rims from someone elses car. LOL

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Well, I came back out side 10 mins later and there was literally 4 inches of water covering the parking lot. Well, I started the car and pulled out of the parking lot. I couldnt see 20ft in front of me , I was going 25 mph and hydroplaned. The car stalled.</div>

Thank you Lee, point proven right there.

You came outside and there was enough rain in 10 minutes from a completely clear sunny day to drop OVER 4 inches of rain (more than 4 inches dropped or 4 inches dropped in one second, water drains off as soon as it starts raining) in a flat parking lot. YOU STILL CHOSE TO DRIVE. 100% completely your fault. You couldn't see 20 feet in front of you, you still drove. YOUR FAULT. You went 25 MPH (not the 85MPH you previously claimed) and HYDROPLANED (means your car is sliding on TOP OF THE WATER), and the car stalled? I'd lean towards the car hydroplaning, you flipped out and stalled it, the car sunk into enough water, and you tried to start it again and sucked up water (ever notice everyone wants to make everything not their fault in a story?).

I'm not arguing with you or picking on you, as this is FAR from the first time this conversation has ever happened. I've argued my point since the days of HyundaiAftermarket.com. It's not popular, as it places blame in your lap, but it's fact. You did the modification. You know what can happen. You chose to drive without taking 30 seconds to a minute in the rain (My mommy said I couldn't get wet!) to pop off the coupler in front of the MAF. You continued to drive though you legally shouldn't because you couldn't see 25 feet in front of you. YOU drove fast enough to hydroplane.

Again. If it's raining that hard, you have plenty of choices.

1. If on the road, pull over and wait out the storm (my god I see folks do this all the time.)

2. If you are going to drive and it's raining like that, plan a route that doesn't take you through known flooding points.

3. If on the road and you come across one, PULL OVER OR STOP. yeah, you might be unpopular for a minute or 2, but you don't blow an engine or get stranded even worse. In the rain, there is little to no dust, running without a filter for 10 minutes or so won't destroy your engine.

4. if your car is lowered, pay closer attention to areas that can flood. My car is lowered, I avoid all these areas.

There is more you can do too, but folks get the drift.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>you are calling REDZ out when this thruthfully was your own fault?

1. you obviously were off from work that day since you went to the pawn shop so you weren't in a hurry...

2. you came out seeing massive amounts of water in the parking lot which to me would've told me to wait for it to stop raining(mistake #1)...

3. after you hydroplaned (mistake #2 since later on in that thread you mentioned that your tires were bald) and then stalled out, you started your car back up and drove it home. knowing you stalled out from the hydroplaning that shoved water into your intake you didnt just stay in the place it happened or push the car to the nearest parking lot or the side of the road.

4. you drove home while the entire time you heard your engine knocking (mistake #3)

LoL, I tuthfully don't feel a damn bit sorry for you bud.</div>

Agreed on all points. I didn't know your tires were bald too. That tells me you poorly maintain your cars and don't think about the things we've been discussing. Not a diss on you, just an observation.

BTW Fiero, you mind me asking how old you are?


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (4g64fiero @ Dec 4 2008, 05:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did I ever ask for your sympathy? No. I'm just stating maybe some people dont feel like having to pull over every time it rains to change intakes. Is that so hard to understand?</div>

No one offered any sympathy, nor did anyone say "Every time it rains pull over and change your intake". Sorry man, you can't prove otherwise. Now you are just acting childish because you were proven wrong.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>What if it rains and your on your way to work? Now you stand a chance of being late because you have to pull over to change intakes. This is redundant at best and blantantly pointless when you guy a 30$ (at most) bypass valve.</div>

Being on the way to work somehow changes the situation? if 1 minute to pop off a connector makes you late for work, you really should leave earlier. You don't have to change your intake, just pop off the connector at the MAF. Done.

It's far from pointless. these bypasses were ddesigned as an afterthought, they leak, cause you to have to cut your pipe to get them to fit without completely changing the way the intake is mounted, and you lose some of the gains you get from having an intake in the first place. I've driven with my AEM on now for what, 5 years? I live in the desert, where we get some insane flash flooding, and yeah, it happens when you are out and about.

I've not so much as stalled my car once from the rain. I care for my car, and pay attention to what I'm doing when I drive.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>And your completely right, it was my fault my engine was messed up. I SHOULD OF BOUGHT A BYPASS VALVE. That was my point. Your counter point is null since it is based around the same idea as the original point I made in that thread on dsmtalk.</div>

Ehh, You COULD have bought one, but that wouldn't have changed your dangerous driving habits. Pypass valves can't fix poor driving/maintenance practices.

I got a bypass valve, my bald tires are fine!

No.

I got a bypass valve, 4 inches of water is no match for me!

No.

I got a bypass valve, visibility in a torrential downpour is no concern!

No.

Hell, consider this (I'll take pics later to prove it), if you go through enough water to totally submerge your filter, you have almost gone through enough water to get it inside YOUR DOORS.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I went to college in Rapid City and then joined the Air force. I'm currently stationed at Patrick AFB, fl. My tiburon is down here with me as my wife drives it everyday.</div>

Then you should know about preventative maintenance.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>There are ussually concrete barricades on bothsides of the lane on the interstate where there is construction. It is also like this on the toll roads. Even if there wasnt, I still retain the ideal that pulling over everytime it rains is a waste of time considering the options.</div>

I'd rather waste the 1 minute of time then pay for a new engine.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GFTiburon @ Dec 4 2008, 06:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Where do you guys install the AEM BYPASS FILTER ona AEM CAI??? Its a one piece system.</div>

Exactly my point. To install it, most folks put it right before or after the MAF. This will cause problems. To install it right you'd need to cut an equal section out of the intake and install it.


Yes, you can go get a bypass valve for piece of mind, I'd rather keep 100% of my gains and pay a bit of attention to my situation. I've always got a socket and screwdriver in my car.


Do we REALLY need to keep this going?

 

My tires are fusion ZRi's. When did I say they were bald? They dont do well in rain at all.

Anyways, I still completely disagree with you but I believe the other mod was just being smug for no reason. I asked this same question(Should I have a bypass valve on my cai?) on various other forums and gave a link to this thread. Redicule of this board ensued.


When its starts raining in ABQ NM every afternoon I think you will understand why it would be inconvenient.

NM is the sunniest place in the US so no wonder its not worth it to you. Your in a DESERT lol.