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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 08:22 AM
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Hey Random what size turbo is in the kit also what kind of fuel pump do you have to have to run this setup?
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 09:11 AM
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The stock fuel pump will work fine with the kit to about 180-200 WHP. After that, you will need either a Fuel pump from a Turbo Eclipse/talon (gen2) or a last gen RX7TT fuel pump.

The Turbo they use is the TD04E. It's only good to about 15-18 PSI. Trying to get that little turbo to push 20 PSI would be really stressing it beyond it's thermal efficency range. It would do it, but the air temps would skyrocket.
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Old Dec 19, 2001 | 11:49 AM
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Random you couldnt ask for a better explaination than what you just wrote on whats needed
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 08:09 AM
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Hey Random how much different is the stock pump on the tibby from that of the accent how much more fuel does it push than my accent one?

One more question does it come with new injecters or do the stock ones work

Oh yea what color are the tops of your injecters the stock ones anyway mine are white? The colors are for different Lbs per hour I'm sure you new that but someone else may not have! Thanks
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 08:52 AM
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The kit comes with a 5th injector for added fuel delivery. That is all that is needed for the most part as long as you keep be boost below 12 PSI.

I'm not sure what the differences are between the stock accent pump and the stock Tibby fuel pump. I'll have to compare diagrams and get back to you.

Not sure what color the injectors are, but the stock injectors are 245cc.
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 09:37 AM
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So not only do you need around two to three grand for the kit but you also need about a grand in parts to get any real life out of the motor and then another 500 to just have some one ELSE tune it. Another reason I say that you should go with the super charger instead. It cost just as much as the turbo and by looking at the pics from alpine it can not be any harder than rebuilding my 350 for my truck. You just have to worry about getting around hood clearance (good excuse for a kick butt hood kit). For most guys I think you better off with the charger and yeah I know it is limted and not very upgradeabel (mario.. smile.gif)
but at least If you want warranty work done on your car. You can just remove it on a good weekend back to stock (I could be wrong). Or you can always trade in your old tib and take the 4500 you were going to spend on the turbo and get the new v6 tib. That might be more realalistic than both options... just my idea tongue.gif p.s. I can not spell today
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 09:51 AM
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Well there is a difference...

A supercharger on a Tib is going to produce MORE wear on the motor to attain the same power output as a turbo. And on a supercharger, increasing the horsepower is a much more difficult task (replace blower pulley, figure out an aftercooler, et al) Increasing horsepower on a turbocharger is manipulation of a vacuum line -- you can make the 8psi kit push 18psi by simply crimping a vacuum line.

What Random was giving you is equally important on ANY boosted motor, no matter what type of positive pressure you use. If you're forcing more air into the motor and making more horsepower, it isn't going to last as long.

And price vs performance vs reliability, the supercharger loses on all counts. Don't kid yourself into thinking it's any more reliable.

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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 10:07 AM
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Also...as delivered by alpine...the supercharger only made 21 HP and 22 ft lbs of torque vs a BTB, BIM and CAI.

The Turbo was at least good for about 50-55 HP

The Supercharger also has the same 5th injector (read you have to mess with the injector wires)...and the same detonation problems the Turbo has..only worse!

However...as a "budget" alternative to HP...the supercharger would be the cheaper way to a 30 or 40HP gain when tuned right...but not the cheaper way to 75 HP or higher.
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Old Dec 20, 2001 | 08:50 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong but also doesn't the supercharger take more of your engine power to produce the boost than a turbo would. As in your using the pully sytem on the sc and your using your good ole natural exhaust fumes to produce boost for turbo. Meaning the turbo is more effeciant(hooked on phonics).
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