justin

has anyone ever heard anything good/bad about these kits? on importshark, it says they sell for 325-370. the kaaz kit sells for almost 1000.
let me know.
thanks

Random

it's bad. Real bad. Only person to use it keep schredding/breaking differentials.
Stay away.

Agarwal

Who's shredding his differential using a Phantom Grip? I personally think that it whould be good to about ~220whp. But then again, I have one on my desktop that's just waiting to be installed, so I may be biaised smile.gif In any case, I'll install it this spring and let you know how it turns out.

turbulence

everything i've read about the phantom grip, not just on hyundai boards, too, says it's a pos. i'd stay away from it, save up, and get a kaaz or quaiffe, but from what i understand, quaiffe is the best.

[ March 12, 2003, 02:17 PM: Message edited by: turbulence ]

Agarwal

Well, I'll give you better than opinions this spring; I'll give you FACTS. I also have a friend with a 2L Accent (swapped the Beta) that will probably use it this spring/summer; so we'll let you know.

Koreandude

Sorry guys but i can't say that it's a POS since the guy i know, mike, (who is an owner of a local performance shop) who drag races his N/A Integra uses a phantom grip and hasn't had any problems. His car runs low 12's and uses stock internals in his tranny besides the phantom grip. He's also installed a few in cars besides his for customers in the shop, one was in a mazda miata. So far these people love it and haven't had problems and for the record mike has had his for 2 years. I don't see what the problem is besides our diff.s giving out over 220+ hp. With the engine in n/a trim, i would suspect nothing but great results.

And i'm suprised Random that you would say something like that. Usually you wouldn't bias something good or bad unless you've personally experienced it (used it/installed it/have it on your car) or just specifically relay someone elses findings and consider the source. frown

justin

i really wish someone was able to give me a straight up yes or no lol...
as for power numbers, im hoping for about 240 or so wheel, but i dont know if ill make it.

REDZMAN

Well, we did give you a stright up yes or no. The Phantom Grip sucks. Look at it this way, some people say that electric superchargers work. We've bought them and tried them. They don't. Random spoke from the experience of this forum. A few folks have gotten the Phantom POS and tried it. It tore apart and took the diff with it. Do a search in the forums and you'll see all about it. We can all say that one person ran a 8 second 1/4 mile with their stock Excel, but those that have tried know the truth. There's a reason it's cheaper in price and that you don't hear of many people with them.

They suck. Sorry. If it was that good, everyone would be going for that instead of getting in on the other LSD GB going on.

ONLY1DB

lsd gb???? wheres that?

Random

In the group buy forum!
http://www.hyundaiaftermarket.com/cgi-bin/...c;f=35;t=000009

In regards to the Phantom Grip. We've had one member here (Onpol) try the Phantom Grip. After blowing 3 differentials (one while normal driving with no boost), he removed it. They all died with under 250WHP.

Also, if you read Club Si, you'll find many members there have had differential problems after installing a phantom grip. You'll find the same on the DSM boards.

Sure, it's possible that there's people out there with phantom grip's that actually like them, and haven't had problems yet, but from what I've read/seen, they destroy the differential in about 50%-75% of the cars in under 1 year. That's just not a product I can reccomend.

When you consider the cost of the Phantom Grip, and the cost to replace just ONE blown tranny, then a REAL LSD (Kaaz or Quaife) becomes a good deal.