I can't see the picture you are linking, i guess it's blocked here at work. Again, I would say anything that can fire shots at a certain rate, or has a large magazine capacity. As with anything it's hard to draw a hard line and there will always be a gray area. I'm not an expert, and I'm not saying they should necessarily be illegal. I'm just saying it's not unreasonable to go through a few more hoops to get these kinds of weapons.



Tibbi, the point is that there are 3 people you can buy them from BECAUSE they are easy to get legally. You would not be getting them legally, but at some point many (most) of these guns were part of the "legal" distribution system. There's no need to guess on this, just look at any of the hundreds of countries that ban weapons and you'll see it's much harder to get a weapon illegally in those places. Getting weed is easy implies getting guns would be as easy if they were illegal? Great argument, how about a sh*t ton of other things that are illegal AND are hard to get. Heroin is a bit harder to get than weed isn't it? Gee how does your simplistic black or white view account for that? Explosives are pretty hard to come by are they not? You tell me why it's harder to find some C4 than a handgun when in your opinion the fact that something is legal or illegal (and how much the illegality is enforced) is inconsequential?

 

Radu: I don't have time for you...

 

and who do we leave in charge of what is determined to be too high of a fire rate or too large of a magazine?



misinformed scared politicians will make the laws completely ignoring logic



i can damn near guarantee that most people who are for the banning/hardcore strict regulations of guns have never even fired one



-NAS



i mentioned bayonets and barrel shrouds earlier because during the first assault rifle ban THOSE WERE DETERMINED TO BE ILLEGAL



you know



cuz drive-by bayoneting is such a rampant things these days

 

See this is why I am going to stop arguing about this crap. We were arguing on whether there should be a distinction. Now you are changing the subject, arguing whether there is an authority capable of writing the correct rules for making a distinction. It's one thing to say "no way, it should be a free for all" and another thing to say "yeah, it should probably be harder for people to buy assault weapons (or whatever you want to call them) but unfortunately our politicians are clueless and incapable of doing it right". I could much more easily be convinced of the latter.



"and yet, you still have no answer for the fact that DRUNK DRIVERS KILL AS MANY PEOPLE AS GUN HOMICIDE" LOL, SO?! We can't talk about problem A because there is another problem B of similar magnitude? I bet a lot more people die of cancer, I guess we can't talk about gun control or drunk drivers before we cure cancer?

 

No. Most of the things I'm referring to are actually not available for legal sale for various reasons. You're assuming 2nd had purchases or unscrupulous history.



Just like the Russian mafioso a-la cold war communism. It's a known fact that criminal organizations in the Soviet Union had to rely on broken vodka bottles rather than actual weapons



No, same street different corner. Driving and extra block has to do with competition and stock, availability is there.



Ummmm.......



Not really [ see below ]



I doubt its much harder at all. In fact as any red blooded 15 year old boy with internet access will tell you, more than purchasing explosives, making things blow up is cheap and fun. Back in the good old days you could buy Ammonium nitrate fertilize for real cheap and have an afternoon of fun making tree stumps "disappear." As for purchasing pasltiques, Semtex specifically is particularly looked for at all ports, so getting things like that in the country is neither easy nor cheap..... wait, what was that? butThat might be the reason right there. It's just cheaper to make things blow up on your own. In fact, how many accounts of domestic terror have used illegally purchased explosives? Seriously, I have no idea what that quotient is. I know that the Oklahoma City bombing was made of some of those same materials and the '93 WTC bombing was also custom made by bomb makers out of a number of (and primarily) commercially available products. If you want to talk about "Back and white" arguments, there you go! Granted, its related the answer really has nothing to do with theft or smuggling.

 

retarded argument is retarded. Having cancer hasnt been yet determined to be socially unacceptable.





how many people get wounded due to cancer "crossfire?"



Again, why are you for punishing a entire group of people for the actions of very very very few?



my example for drunk driving is very much warranted. Would you be entirely for passing a law that says you have to call a the government and submit to a background check to buy alcohol? how about passing a law that says you gotta fill out a form and wait a week to purchase race fuel? some people street race so all people buying race fuel might street race.



a cool cat once said

 

I agree. But just going by my families stories and experiences, they said that during those times crime was just not tolerated. Part of that was gun control. Much compared to China or parts of Indonesia. They have prisons where criminals are confined to darkness and condemned for life. They are simply "shelved".



I suppose crimes involving guns would are more instinctive and basic, like Anders Breivik's case. with an emphasis on gun control it could be more difficult to kill and easier to catch killers.



I'm not against guns in any way, but it seems like they're too easy to obtain. With such high availability, they're hard to monitor.





That is so gruesomely screwed up!!!!!!!! Poor beautiful kids!





I agree. Scientifically speaking, I see that as a law of nature. Socially speaking, there are portions of people that are sick and psychotic. Others were raised in poor conditions and households. Others simply do it because the freedom of the mind. Others like this guy today do it because they are pushed towards it from external means.

 

9 of the 10 shot were hit by NYC police bullets??????



Was The NYPD Responsible For 10 Of The 11 People Shot Yesterday?

 

So I should have learned my lesson about getting into any thread where Tibbi is posting by now, but here's my



Education and Examination.



Not for gun owners, but for society as a whole.



Please don't bring up the Colorado shooter, I know he was well educated.



It is my belief that if a larger portion of the population were educated and given some form of professional guidance that many of these shootings, along with other crimes, would stop.