Thing was, we didn't know Agent Orange was going to do what it did to humans. Now we know. That's why it's not used anymore.

 

Redz is VERY right on that part. It was a defoliant. It was not designed or made to be a killer or deformer of people. Look at what DDT does to the world it is used in.

Unfortunatly, I can trace my Crohnes to Agent Orange. Nobody in my family before my father has any sort of intestinal or stomach problems. The majority of my relatives on both sides of my family are annoyingly healthy.

 

sorry, i seem to have confused a few people with my post. so to re itterate........


the U.S.A is still the only country to have used nuclear and chemical weapons against a civilian population.


there you go, i hope thats clearer. im not after an argument i was only stating the fact. there are arguments either way as to why it was done and how many lives it may have ultimately saved. but the fact remains.

(why do i always end up posting stuff about war on this forum laugh.gif, im off to find another topic to post in.)

 

Unfortunatly, you are correct. This country stands as the only one to have used a nucelear explosive in both a wartime state AND against a civilian populace. Twice I might add. I will not go into the politics involved in such a decision, for it was not only to end the war, but to deter Stalin. Either way, it was not a decision that was made lightly.

My only hopes.. that decision will never need to be made again.

 

The nuking of Japan has no questions at all, I don't see why that was brought up at all.

As for Chemical Weapons on a civilian populace.

Tell me what weapon, and when.

 

dammit redz, im really trying not to get into an argument!. but....................




*COPY/PASTE POST EDITED, put up a link next time.*

 

You said it in the first part man. DEFOLIANT. Agent Orange was not known to be hazzardous to humans until it was used for some time. You think the Vietnameese are messed up? What about our soldiers that got covered in it? I happen to know a member of these forums who's father is jacked up because of it, AND so is HE!!!

Again, name a CHEMICAL WEAPON, a date, and who we used it on that was civilian.

You also need to look at the Vietnameese conflict. Great, the kid passing by you and waving one minute is really cute, the next minute he's running off to Uncle Ho to tell him which way you are going, how you are outfitted, and loading backpacks with mortar rounds to wipe your platoon out with. EVERYONE in that theater of operations was a combatant, it's a fact. Agent Orange was not a chemical weapon. Sorry. Sarin is a Chemical Weapon. VX is a Chemical weapon. I'm sorry, but your sources are obviously anti American, and want to call it a Chemical Weapon and make it sound like we did that to the Vietnameese AND our own troops on purpose. Fact is though, you are, as I see most Europeans and UK'ers do, being lead on way too easily. Agent Orange was a defoliant. We found out later how toxic it was to everyone that got involved with it.

There is no argument when you are wrong.

B)


Another fact? The VA (Veterans Administration) is taking care of the Agent Orange folks in the US.

http://www1.va.gov/agentorange/

http://www.lewispublishing.com/orange.htm

Looks like your sources aren't only biased, they are OLD.

BTW, I typed all of mine, why don't you type yours? Copy/Paste, come on. LOL After you reply I'm gonna take out about 90% of your last post, it's just too big.

 

holy crap, someone sure put some thought into that article. Agent orange was used cuz it had to be used. War is war, casualties will be substained, tough shit. Maybe one day there will be a effective sedative in warfare as a gas weapon. But im suprised that the geneva convention dosent outline these kidna things, or do they?

 

They do.

Chemical Weapons are under the Geneva Convention, if we had used CHEMICAL WEAPONS, we would have had war crimes trials related to Agent Orange and all sorts of crap.

Since it wasn't a CHEMICAL WEAPON, there were no crimes trials, just a lot of sorry ass scientists and a few generations of birth defects.

It's sad, don't get me wrong, but I'll be damned if I'm going to be accused of having been part of an organization that did something like that.

 

I don't know all the facts, so I'll say this...

It is sad that Americans used things that are still causing problems for people, who, like the young child in the photo, are innocent. But we elected our leaders, who made the decisions to do what they had to do. Our leadership surely thought that they were doing the "right" thing at the time. People we elected into office saw the threat of Communism taking over most of the world, so we fought it the best we could because we fought for our own freedom, and we really like it. I'm not saying we should or should not have fought, but the results of any war are not pretty, it really doesn't matter if it is the "right war" or not.