Yes, several folks have blamed the actual HURRICANE on the President. It's been all over the news doode.

Also, where is a lack of help? Because all of the folks that stayed weren't able to be rescued in the first hour after the storm passed, it's a disgracefull lack of help??? Are you nuts? You tell me this then.

How do you get help into these places when there is a 30 foot high wall of dangerous debris blocking the highways? Are we supposed to cast a spell and magic all the problems away? We live in a REAL world, with REAL problems, real freeways, and real distances.



The first one refers to the press conference. I don't see anything that you've put up quoted from ABC, at least you didn't mark it as such. The second link you posted has the same quote in it, and also has the quote from Condoleeza Rice stating that we won't refuse help. The third one doesn't have the quote from the conference, but it does have this.



Hmmm...

Also on that page...



It talks about "aid refusal" on that page, with links, but the links all go back to the original quote, which doesn't refuse anything.



How is this a known fact? That's what I wanna know?!?!? No where did the President refuse anything. This "Known fact" is the PRESS's translation of his press conference where he said we will do most of it ourselves. There is NO refusal in this at all. I've even posted info and quotes and sites of us thanking folks for their help and donations from other countries. No refusal.



I justified why the president COULD and SHOULD have refused help from the French (Read: Cowards), but then I proved that he didn't. LOL

And for your "Dramatic turn-around", that site won't come back up as it's giving me a "Login" page, but the "Turn-around" was the fact that we are always GIVING to other disasters, and now we are RECIEVING.



Again, you've failed to show any proof of any "failure" on anyone's part besides the Governor and the Mayor.



I've read the articles you posted. Most of them don't have the information you said was in there. I showed you that there was no magical "we didn't know about the superdome". I showed you that we HAVE ACCEPTED aid from almost everyone that has offered it, and since have thanked them for it. I showed sources for each of those. Maybe, in your selective reading, you missed those eh?

You keep talking about a refusal of help. But haven't shown, one time, anything that proves that help was refused.



He would have got his interns to SUCK it away from the coast.

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Oh? How so? Explain to me how anything could have been done better. DETAILED explanations. I wanna hear it. You obviously know all about military logistics and how the state government is supposed to request stuff, BY THE CONSTITUTION, so please, enlighten us with how we were supposed to have stuff prepositioned to deal with this.

Even the mayor of NO came out and said "When we went to sleep Thursday night, this was a 'Florida' storm. There just wasn't enough time."

Where are relief planes supposed to land? Outfit them with inflation devices so they can land on the water?

 

I've gone thru this several times and read all of them. Every one of them, at least 2 or 3 times now.



Let's see. CNN has been on Bush's ass since he got his first election. Haven't watched the BBC, but they are usually ballanced. Fox hasn't said anything about this being a disgrace. They've talked about how sad it is that as many folks have died as have died, and how sad the actions of the Governor and Mayor were (Remember the mayor went and got all those foreign tourists out of the Hyatt or Hilton and put them in the front of the evac line after the storm).

I've seen a few notes of a congressman saying it's a disgrace, and several civil rights leaders screaming to be heard, but then that's trying to turn it as a race thing again.

I don't belive it's a disgrace at all. I lived in the SF Bay area when the big quake hit there. I went out to those areas as I was stationed in Presidio SF and I helped out. I saw horrible things, and helped all I could there. I've been to areas ravaged by tornadoes when I was stationed in Kansas. I've had to help. I've had it take 4 hours to drive 2 miles because of debris left by a T-3. I've been in Hurricanes when I was in Fort Bragg, and in those, the water goes away, not like this. I've been in Typhoons in S. Korea, and seen the devestation there (Typhoon = Pacific Hurricane) from the weak ones and how long it can take to get to areas safely. The tsunami last year, it took weeks to get all the survivors out and to get to some areas. Where's the disgrace there?

Then I've seen all the video of this storm and it's wrath. Obviously statements like "Biggest Disaster Ever in the US" doesn't mean anything to you. I DON'T support the president with everything he does or says, but I support what I know. I know that 95,000 Acres is a HUGE AREA. I know that, in comparison with any disaster we've ever had before, this is gynormous. I know what it's like to be on the planning side of something that needs to be fixed (Tornado recovery, ect.), and I know how hard it is to do the foot work involved also. Consider me a realist.



And with this statement, I will now put an end to this thread. It is plain that you are bitter against the president, and are one of the folks that would blame him if the sun stopped shining today. The president has done an excellent job, under a VERY hard time. Even your shining "Al Gore" said he'd have done the same after 9/11. Everyone can be critical all they want, but unless they have a solution, or can help out, this is a learning process for us all.

I've asked several times what YOU would have done differently. Where would you have put troops ahead of time? Exactly where? What would you have had prepared?



Yes, they did. Do like folks do in the rest of the damned world. WALK!!! What about the busses? Oh, that's Bush's fault too right?



Also not true. Coast Guard and US Army helicopters were there as soon as winds died down below 50MPH. This has also been shown everywhere.



And I hope the same here also. But blame needs to be given up on, as it was a natrual disaster. NATURAL. You can only prepare so much, and you can only DO SO MUCH to prepare for anything. Now that everyone here has a wakeup call, we can try to make the next one less severe, and our preparation for it much better.

All this infighting and "RACE, IT'S RACE RELATED" bullshit needs to stop. All this effort can be put into working on helping folks out, cleaning up, instead of trying to make themselves feel better by blaming someone.

It's sick, and it's sad.

CLOSED

BTW: Edited into a Double Post so the quotes work. They don't work after 10 quotes in one post.