lol.. next thing you know, they'll make it so that you don't even need to drive your car at all, you just get to sit in it and look pretty..

i don't understand why anyone would want to use this.. It's almost like saying 'help, i don't know my car that well, fix it for me'.. this, in relation to other sports, baseball for example, would be like the pitcher telling the batter what he's throwing. This way, the batter would know every time and would be able to hit the ball everytime.. After a while, it would take the fun out of it, right? So, why would you want something to help you with your reaction times? Doesn't that take the guess work out of it? The prospect of driver vs. driver? I mean, maybe I'm missing something here.. And yeah, I know that technology helps cars, and some have it, and some don't, and blah blah blah.. but, like Random said, it's about the driver being able to handle their own car, because, after all, it's THEIR car.. Why shouldn't everyone be comfortable enough in their own car that they don't need things like this?

What it comes down to, is if you take two drivers, one of whom uses the rev limiter, and the other who doesn't, give them IDENTICAL cars, and tell them to race, who do you think is going to win 9 out of 10 times? (the tenth time being the mistake that everyone's allowed wink )

Ah well.. enough from me. =)

 

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lol.. next thing you know, they'll make it so that you don't even need to drive your car at all, you just get to sit in it and look pretty..

i don't understand why anyone would want to use this.. It's almost like saying 'help, i don't know my car that well, fix it for me'.. this, in relation to other sports, baseball for example, would be like the pitcher telling the batter what he's throwing. This way, the batter would know every time and would be able to hit the ball everytime.. After a while, it would take the fun out of it, right? So, why would you want something to help you with your reaction times? Doesn't that take the guess work out of it? The prospect of driver vs. driver? I mean, maybe I'm missing something here.. And yeah, I know that technology helps cars, and some have it, and some don't, and blah blah blah.. but, like Random said, it's about the driver being able to handle their own car, because, after all, it's THEIR car.. Why shouldn't everyone be comfortable enough in their own car that they don't need things like this?

What it comes down to, is if you take two drivers, one of whom uses the rev limiter, and the other who doesn't, give them IDENTICAL cars, and tell them to race, who do you think is going to win 9 out of 10 times? (the tenth time being the mistake that everyone's allowed wink )

Ah well.. enough from me. =)</div>so traction control on any vehicle is bad......

 

well, i'll use the analogy i already did.. if you were the team that was batting, it would be great, but if you were the team pitching, it would be pretty crappy, huh?

and besides.. they're not fool-proof anyway.. it doesn't take a certain rpm to oversteer.. any idiot can do that. lol

it's just my opinion.. if you're gonna run boost, run it.. i just think it'd be better to know what your car would do without the rev limiter, don't you? say, perhaps, the rev limiter fails one time.. then what? you're SOL, my friend.. cause you won't know what to do..

oh well.. like i said.. it's all a matter of opinion, i suppose.. it's good to some, not so good to others.. that's why there are message boards, for everyone to state their opinion, right? Right. =)

 

All things considered this "adjustable" throttle stop will hinder more than help. If you don't have the ability to adapt to the often changing path of a road course then you shouldn't depend on something that will prevent you from learning to do so.

Any one course has it's own individual variances in it's twist and turns. In autocross they can vary dramatically. Ironically those same twist and turns after a few laps are the only things that remain the same.

For the most part "you" the driver are the only variable. "You" have to be the one that learns to adapt and translate what you know into lower lap times. It's much more valuable to "know" not only what your own "ability" is to handle and harness the car's power but what the potential results are for doing so is when it's applied. In someone sig they qoute Carroll Shelby: "the race car is simply a tool for the race car driver". That has a lot of truth to it.

All things being equal it is tough enough to race someone else who has a similarly equipped vehicle but it's even harder if you're fighting yourself while you're doing it. Experience in the end will play a much more significant role in a race car drivers personal developement than any single performance mod. Technology is only gonna get you so far.

The satisfaction for many of us is knowing our cars and getting the desired results when pushed to it's limits.

Moreover, cars that have forced induction often have intricacies that are specific to themselves. There are simply too many factors to take into consideration to be offset by any one single modification such as the one spoken of here. Concentrate rather on your technique and ability. Then in the long run you'll be the one passing others in the corners.

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I can't believe this topic is still going...

Here's the Cliff's Notes version for all you people who want to argue pro or con: If you have no clue how to control the power of your own car, and somehow still want to autocross, this mod might help. If you're more interested in KNOWING how to properly control your car without a hack fix, don't go here.

There's no further argumentation needed. The only people who "need" such a device are the same people who "need" a 300WHP car. These are the people who have no clue what 300WHP means, and yet still want to daily drive it back and forth to high school so they can brag to their other freshmen friends.

Here, let's make it REALLY simple: rolleyes.gif

 

If you really have trouble with your tires breaking free...

Try the ones I got:

225/50/R15 fits the stock rims and they are utterly the best traction you can get without switching to a crazy assed rim and a R-compund tire.

Heres a pic if interested.

http://www.geocities.com/hotcaw/AquaTreadTires.jpg

I have been autocrossing with them consistently, and slowly been improving, our autocross club here is Winnipeg Sports Car Club

www.wscc.mb.ca

and pics and videos are available at

www.wpg-autox.org

95% of the guys autoxing are Pro's with R-compounds OR they drive something like a Z8 which makes up for most of the mistakes on makes when driving a 2.0L. So I'm not too close to the top, lol, but I'm consistent, with no pylons...

Anyways, its cool, check it out if your interested.

-Steve

 

Uhhh dude it's Carrol Smith, and it's in my profile.

Basically you're right, if you can't control the car,and if you havent been messing with the chassis and suspension, or if your chassis and suspension have been professionally set up for a certain purpose there is nothing wrong with the car to begin with. It's the driver who's the faulty component.

The driver makes the car do what it does, and if he or she thinks tuning the car is the soloution to everything, they arent in a really positive state of mind. Technology will take you farther if you know how to drive your car at the limit it allows, but if you dont know how to do that yet and you wanna start depending on tech to make yourself faster then Houston, you're gonna have a problem; tech will become a crutch to hobble on, take away the crutch(note that ABS is not allowed in several series)and you're off into the wall, because you dont know how to brake without ABS, and pressed the pedal too deep.

There is no substitute for practice, learning, dedication to your driving and honesty with yourself about your skill and performance levels.

Lethal:

Racing against someone with a bone-stock car precisely the same as yours in every department(right down to the seat belt anchor bolts)is about the toughest thing you can do if say both the cars are Fords and say put out 170BHP each because it stresses so much on personal driving skills that there is no room for error. The lower the output of the cars, or the worse the power-to-weight ratio, the tougher it will get; here a single error will make or break your chances of placing, let alone placing well. If you got 2 drivers, and let one of them be you, then chuck them in 2 bone-stock Atos 1000cc's you'll understand where the skill comes in.

[ September 09, 2002, 10:47 PM: Message edited by: MechaniX_034 ]

 

Mechanix, give them a break. Let them use the turbo Atoz instead! smile.gif

 

OOOOO yeah! And we'd still have to keep the engines in the band AND keep the turbos spooling! This gets more interesting by the minute!