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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 10:20 AM
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QUOTE (REDZMAN @ Mar 28 2006, 10:54 AM)
What makes you think it's the best? You need to quantify that statement. I personally, after having had my hands on both, prefer the VHR flywheel. It's not a lightened flywheel, it's a forged lightweight flyweel. Very very nice, and the one going on my car.

The Fidanza is forged also. And I believe that it is lighter than the VHR. And I also believe that it's cheaper to buy. So if I'm correct, then the Fidanza IS better.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 11:02 AM
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What makes you think it's the best? You need to quantify that statement. I personally, after having had my hands on both, prefer the VHR flywheel. It's not a lightened flywheel, it's a forged lightweight flyweel. Very very nice, and the one going on my car.


You need to quantify why you prefer the VHR over the Fidanza. You must have sensitive hands. tongue.gif

In addition to what Jon said above;

You only have to buy the Fidanza once. You would cetrainly advocate replacing the VHR with every clutch change, right? I wouldn't have it turned and have the material be so thin that it warps especailly since it is such a job to change it. Why go cheap with something so important. And though I have never heard of any problems with the VHR, Fidanza is the industry standard. They have been making flywheels forever and are the choice of most weekend racers. Race proven over years and years, lap after lap, car after car.

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They can be bought locally from just about speed shop, online from just about anybody, and off ebay for cheap. Good luck with customer service from either SR or kspec. I have experience with both. Good and bad.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 04:01 PM
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QUOTE (JonGTR @ Mar 28 2006, 10:20 AM)
The Fidanza is forged also. And I believe that it is lighter than the VHR. And I also believe that it's cheaper to buy. So if I'm correct, then the Fidanza IS better.


I was told that the fidanza was a lightened aluminum flywheel. As for the weight, it's about 1/2 a pound lighter.

http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?showtop...%20weight&st=20

According to Fidanza's website, the flywheel is 7.5 pounds. It is CnC'd aluminum. There is no forged steel flywheel for us in their catalog.

http://www.fidanza.com/downloads.aspx
http://www.fidanza.com/productdetails.aspx...minum_flywheels

The VHR is 8.3 pounds and Forged Steel, I belive it's a Chrome Moly Carbon composite.

According to what I can find online, the VHR flywheel is 3.2 KG for the 215MM and 3.8KG for the 225. 3.2KG = 7.1 Pounds. 3.8KG = 8.4 pounds.

http://www.kspec.com/list.php?ac_id=80&ai_id=686

BTW, we use the 215.

So, I believe this means that the VHR is lighter, and that the Fidanza is not forged.

As for pricing, I don't have a direct price ready but I remember David saying he'd sell the VHR Flywheel by it'self for $300 shipped. I'm sure we can do cheaper than that, and I know for a FACT that Airborne and I can do cheaper than that. Want a price? Ask, and I'll find out.

Looking at froogle.com for fidanza hyundai tiburon 01 -shifter I found that the average price was $350 to $400, plus shipping.

Using the same search on google and going into the first five sites I found...

$359 Plus s/h. (UltraRev.com)
$359 Plus s/h. (www.importperformanceparts.net)
$430.80 Plus s/h. (HyundaiPerformance.com)
$479.19 Plus s/h. (www.andysautosport.com) <---BTW, they have a Clutch Masters and Unorthodox racing one listed too.
$430.80 Plus s/h. (www.alamoautosports.com)

Then for giggles.

www.jegs.com = $429.99 & $364.99 shipped.

www.summitracing.com = $429.95, plus s/h, will ship 4/18/2006.

Now, ebay.

$335.99 plus $20 for S/H.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Fidanza-fly...sspagenameZWDVW
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That's the only one that came up.

So, I think it might be cheaper too.

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QUOTE (XDGT03 @ Mar 28 2006, 11:02 AM)
You need to quantify why you prefer the VHR over the Fidanza. You must have sensitive hands. tongue.gif


Ehh, I belive I did.

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You only have to buy the Fidanza once. You would cetrainly advocate replacing the VHR with every clutch change, right?


No. WTF would you ever do that? LMAO

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Why go cheap with something so important.


How is better cheap? Also, considering this is the clutch/flywheel combo of choice in the one country that has the fastest tiburons with the most HP in the world, I think I just might stay with them.

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And though I have never heard of any problems with the VHR, Fidanza is the industry standard.


Actually, Valeo/VHR is the industry standard. They make OEM clutch/flywheel kits and aftermarket ones for almost every model out there. Go look at Valeo's site. I mean EVERYTHING. Fidanza is a leader in aftermarket flywheels.

Fidanza lists a shifter for the RD's, but it doesn't fit the RD's. NONE of them. I think I'd rather buy from a place that gets it's info correct.

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They can be bought locally from just about speed shop, online from just about anybody, and off ebay for cheap.


We don't have a Just About Speed Shop here mang, but I've checked locally and there are like 2 shops I could get the Fidanza at, but they have to order it and don't keep it on hand. Valeo clutches and parts can be found all over also, but as usual, you may have to buy the Hyper ones from other sources.

I've personally been directing folks to Airborne to get the VHR kits, for less than $600, you get the clutch, flywheel, 1000KG pressure plate (That's clamping force), shipped.

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Good luck with customer service from either SR or kspec. I have experience with both. Good and bad.


Me too. If you have issues with our customer service, bring it up in the proper place.


Quantified.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 04:33 PM
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QUOTE (JonGTR @ Mar 28 2006, 09:28 AM)
I've blown/destroyed 3 Spec clutch kits!!!! And they didn't hold very well either.

ive also gone through 3 spec clutch's. all from an old hyundai tuner called KORE if anyone recalls there great reputation.

ever since i pulled the stock clutch in 2001 at 16000 miles ive also had a fidanza. and ever since that install, every other clutch install ive done in one of my cars has involved a fidanza, there a great mod i think everyone that does there clutch should also do.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 06:33 PM
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Wasn't the orginal question about an upgrade for a stock or nearly stock elantra. I don't think he needs to upgrade unless he wants to have a different feel.

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Why go cheap with something so important.


How is better cheap? Also, considering this is the clutch/flywheel combo of choice in the one country that has the fastest tiburons with the most HP in the world, I think I just might stay with them.

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I was referring to resurfacing vs replacing on a high hp car.
How many times can a VHR flywheel be resurfaced?

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all from an old hyundai tuner called KORE if anyone recalls there great reputation


careful... there is an appropriate place for that I believe.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 06:45 PM
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appropriate place for what?

KORE SUCKS

there i said it

its like me saying

SHARK RACING SUCKS

or

HDK AUTOSPORT SUCKS

or

CNK SUCKS

anyways if your not plannin to mod the hell out of it just get a stock clutch mine lasted longer than the 2 SPEC clutches i had...
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 09:22 PM
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Faith is right on all accounts.

The original question was about upgrading to a Stage 1 clutch and a lightweight flywheel. If you are going to have all of that apart, and are planning on further upgrading your car, then upgrade it!


I don't know how many times you can resurface the VHR, how many times can you resurface the Fidanza? Bet it's not as much, being it's a much softer material and the resurfacing it'self will change the properties of said metals.

KORE is a defunct business, anything goes.
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 09:53 PM
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the fidanza has a replaceable friction surface. i replace mine every time i swap a clutch. the friction surface's are 90 for two directly from fidanza.

if anyone needs one, i still have 1 i could sell wink1.gif
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Old Mar 28, 2006 | 10:46 PM
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the friction surface on the fidanza is 1050 steel, along with the ring gear. just as tough as the friction surface on anything else. and its replaceable, so you will never have to get a new flywheel if you plan on keeping it for a while.
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Old Mar 29, 2006 | 12:13 AM
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Wasn't the orginal question about an upgrade for a stock or nearly stock elantra. I don't think he needs to upgrade unless he wants to have a different feel.


^^^ Actually, I dive a 99 Tib FX < if that's important... I would like to go a stage 1 Turbo and intercooler set-up. After I get out of school. Problem is that that won't happen for another 2-3 years. So an OEM set up can work for now.

However, as I read, several were saying that they went through a clutch in 2-3 years average. Is that for real? I'm betting that the clutch in my car is the original clutch. The car has 94000+ miles on it. WTF!! This whole clutch bussiness is making me wish I stuck with an Automatic. Grrr...

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If you want to ungrade because of feel or you are going to drag race a lot then definately get a race clutch. ACT is a good one. If you are just going to do some spirited driving around town, then don't waste your money on the clutch.


Honestly, true drag racing is fun but not my thing. It cost too much money and it's too much of a risk. I want to live Darn it!!! lol... As for "spirit driving," my buddies and I do this at least once every other week. Out on the back roads here in town.

All in all, I'm still lost.... OEM or upgrade? What are the pros and cons of each and all options?

^^^This is why I come to the forum. Because who better to ask "what's best for my tib?" Than fellow tib owners. Thank you to everyone. I'm really trying to be sponge here.
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