i say dont do it.

moving to off-topic.

Get a coin and flip for it..wink1.gif

You do realize theres more american cars on the road than imports? I heard rough figures as 3 times as many.. That would mean, if they had EQUAL problems, thered be 3 times as many american cars in shops..

So.. Lets talk about computers (car management cpu's)
97-03 grand prix's have PCM's (same thing as ECU).. With our chips, we can either reprogram (with program and a special plug-in) or buy a PCM that will allow us to change virtually EVERYTHING..

I bet hyundai owners wished they could remove the rear o2 check so you didnt throw a CEL with just 1 o2.. But hey, hyundais are advanced..

shouldn't have moved this Tibby.. I was watching this topic like a hawk for the domestic bashing to start... I was going to warn people and then lock it if they did not put a quick halt to it.

No im liking this confilict, i dont want this to go completly Domestic vs. Import though. Lets try to keep it Grand Prix GTP vs. (Insert make, model, country, w/e here) ya, a coins gonna work, umm idk about what you guys are thinking about technolagocialy wise im sorry but id have to say the Grand Prix that im thinking about is more advanced then most imports

http://fp.images.autos.msn.com/meris...e/y448626a.jpg
STOCK:
PCM's
OnStar
remote starting
AM/FM/CD audio system with MP3 capability,DVD navigation system
17-inch wheels and wheel covers.
dual-zone automatic climate control
3.8L 260 hp V6 which makes 19mpg but i dont realy care for fuel economy
Standard Engine3.8L 260 hp V6Horsepower260 @ 5200 RPMTorque (lb-ft)280 @ 3600 RPM


City (mpg)19Highway (mpg)28

SunroofOpt.Air ConditioningStd.Power WindowsStd.Power Door LocksStd.Leather SeatsOpt.Power SeatsStd.Max. Seating5



AirbagsDriver
Passenger
SideABS BrakesStd.Traction ControlStd.Stability ControlOpt.
Valves/Valve Configuration12/OHVDisplacement (cc)3790Bore X Stroke (in.)3.80 X 3.40Compression Ratio8.5:1Fuel Type/SystemGas/SEFITurbochargerNoSuperchargerYes

Front Headroom (in.)38.80Rear Headroom (in.)36.20Front Legroom (in.)42.20Rear Legroom (in.)36.20Front Shoulder Room (in.)58.00Rear Shoulder Room (in.)54.80Front Hip Room (in.)54.50Rear Hip Room (in.)54.30
(roomy aint it)

Cruise ControlStd.TachometerStd.Tilt SteeringStd.Tilt Steering ColumnStd.Heated Steering WheelN/ALeather Steering WheelStd.Steering Wheel Mounted ControlsStd.Telescopic Steering ColumnN/AAdjustable Foot PedalsN/AGenuine Wood TrimN/ATire Inflation/Pressure MonitorStd.Trip ComputerOpt.
Telematic Systems
GTPChild Safety Door LocksStd.Locking Pickup Truck TailgateN/APower Door LocksStd.Vehicle Anti-TheftStd.Braking & Tractionhttp://fp.images.autos.msn.com/image...ers/spacer.gifGTP4 Wheel Drive/All Wheel DriveN/AABS Brakes (2 or 4 Wheel)Std.Automatic Load-LevelingN/AElectronic Brake AssistanceN/ALimited Slip Differential or AxleN/ALocking DifferentialN/ATraction ControlStd.Vehicle Stability Control SystemOpt.Safetyhttp://fp.images.autos.msn.com/image...ers/spacer.gifGTPDriver AirbagStd.Front Side AirbagN/AFront Side Airbag with Head ProtectionN/APassenger AirbagStd.Side Head Curtain AirbagsOpt.Second Row Side AirbagN/ASecond Row Side Airbag with Head ProtectionN/APower WindowsStd.Electronic Parking AidN/AFirst Aid KitN/ATrunk Anti-Trap DeviceStd.Remote Controls & Remote Releaseshttp://fp.images.autos.msn.com/image...ers/spacer.gifGTPKeyless Entry (Remote Lock/Unlock)Std.Remote IgnitionOpt.


the one im looking at buying has all most all of this stuff, now find me a import under 70,000$ that has 70% of that.

Hey Kit-Fox definately go with the GP! The L67 is a great engine, 3.8L supercharged. I've owned mine for about a year now and it has the exact same engine, although it's a 2000. Check out http://www.clubgp.com/ and go to the Message Forum. It's a national forum and theres TONS of GP owners that are willing to help you. There are so many mods you can do to this too, hit me up on AIM if you wanna know more. Oh yeah, you can't go wrong with the HUD:D:

Also check out my cardomain page in my signature to see some of the stuff you can do.

-Chris

i tell you what.... if you can get this car for like $12,000 or less and it's somethin you want... go for it

who will we have to ban though? joke.gif

this car is probably an automatic too, huh? eyeroll.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sparticus)</div><div class='quotemain'>this car is probably an automatic too, huh? eyeroll.gif</div>

almost positive all gtp's are. but i think his is now, so hes not losing anything

All GP's are auto.. GTP's have performance shift option..

its an automatic that can beat any manual tib, any one, stock well almost any, but most, fastest cars in the world are automatic dude, trust me an auto can shift faster then a manual. once again the Buggati Veyeron comes up. BTW just cuz i wouldent have a tib anyomore dosent mean i wouldent come around here anymore so ud still have someone to ban, dont worry.