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04-17-2003, 07:26 AM
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Aoshi...
"1)Does the turbo kit provide a margin of safety of detonation?"
Yes!
"2)What are some of the devices for maintaining a Correct air/fuel ratio meaning not to rich or lean?"
A rising rate FPR, a fifth fuel injector, and most importantly, the Unichip (piggy-back unit for the ECM). And, if for any reason any of those fail, your ECM will pull timing out if it detects detonation.
"3)Does your kit ever suffer from compressor surges? Or what do you have to have that countered?"
We've had some turbo kit owners experience "boost creep", but that was because they didn't use the decompression plate, and highly modified our down pipe and waste gate. Otherwise, the guys from S. Africa tell me they've never had the complaint of "compressor surge" on any of our over 60 different turbo kit applications sold in the last 24 years!
Steve
[ April 17, 2003, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: ballrub ]
"1)Does the turbo kit provide a margin of safety of detonation?"
Yes!
"2)What are some of the devices for maintaining a Correct air/fuel ratio meaning not to rich or lean?"
A rising rate FPR, a fifth fuel injector, and most importantly, the Unichip (piggy-back unit for the ECM). And, if for any reason any of those fail, your ECM will pull timing out if it detects detonation.
"3)Does your kit ever suffer from compressor surges? Or what do you have to have that countered?"
We've had some turbo kit owners experience "boost creep", but that was because they didn't use the decompression plate, and highly modified our down pipe and waste gate. Otherwise, the guys from S. Africa tell me they've never had the complaint of "compressor surge" on any of our over 60 different turbo kit applications sold in the last 24 years!
Steve
[ April 17, 2003, 02:36 PM: Message edited by: ballrub ]
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Sorry for the delayed reply, but have been waiting for the owners to sort some things out and make some decisions before being able to bring everyone up to date.
As many of you know, word is getting out of our existence, and we have been swamped with e-mail inquiries for over a dozen different forced induction applications since November/December of last year. Based on the number of inquiries received (which we encouraged), informed you that we would be developing forced induction applications for a number of your requested vehicle models near the beginning of the year. We've also been approached by several companies since our announcements, to manufacture forced induction applications O.E., or "private label", and many of our "planned" applications have been changed.
Before you vent any disappointment with our development decisions, please understand that for the past 24 years, 70-80% of Alpine Developments business has been the supplying of O.E. and private label forced inductions kits, and it is the owners intention to do the same here in the U.S.. One more bit of disappointing news, because of the recent global conflicts, and the fluctuation of the exchange rate between the U.S. dollar, and the S. African rand (about 20%), there will be another price increase effective May 1, 2003 (orders placed prior to May 9th, will be honored at the older price). Here's the latest on all of the applications you have been asking about:
HYUNDAI
`96-`00 Elantra/`96-`01 Tiburon (1.8L/2.0L-I4) Turbo w/Intercooler Kit (Beta I engine)
(Off Road & Race Only)
This kit remains unchanged, and still includes the fifth fuel injector and Unichip (except the Unichip tuning has been more refined), and there is no immediate plans to try and get CARB certification on, so will remain as an "Off-road and Race only" kit.
Available: Four (4) kits arriving the end of this April (three already sold!). Otherwise, "special order" allowing two-to-three-weeks shipping time from S.A..
New MSRP: $2900.
`01-`03 Elantra / `03 Tiburon (2.0L-I4) Turbo w/Aqua-cooler Kit (Beta II engine)
(Off Road & Race Only)
The decision was made to bring this kit to market as soon as possible, using the above kit's exhaust manifold and therefore is not going to be CARB certified. We have designed a new more efficient self-contained liquid-to-air "Aqua-cooler" for this kit. This kit will also get the benefit of our own new "black-box" ECU management, doing away with the Unichip. To build this kit to meet CARB certification, would require designing a new exhaust/turbo manifold that utilizes the factory exhaust manifold/catalytic converter (also increasing the cost), and the decision to do so has not been made yet!
Available: July`03.
Est. MSRP: $3000.
`96-`00 Elantra / `96-`01 Tiburon (1.8L/2.0L-I4) Supercharger Kit (Beta I engine)
(Off Road & Race Only)
This kit is still under "re-engineering", and will benefit from our new "black-box" ECU technology, replacing the Unichip. Otherwise, will remain much the same as is.
Available: July / August`03.
New MSRP: $2900.
`01-`03 Elantra / `03 2.0L Tiburon (2.0L-I4) Supercharger Kit (Beta II engine)
(anticipate CARB certification)
We are waiting to test fit the new intake manifold, and will also benefit from our new "black-box" ECU technology, and anticipate no problems on getting CARB certification before releasing for sale (which means our limited "3-Year / 36,000 Mile Power Train Warranty" would apply.
Available: August / September`03.
New MSRP: $3000.
`02-`03 Tiburon / Santa Fe / Sonata / Kia Optima (2.7L-V6) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(CARB E.O.# D-551-1)
The final version of this kit is in full production now, with only a few minor changes for safety issues (the replacement of the steel braided "cooler" hoses to rubber hose). We may offer some "upgrade" parts for this kit later on, which may include clear plastic covered steel braided hoses and urethane engine mounts. This kit may also be offered without the "Aqua-cooler" and our exclusive limited "3-Year / 36,000 Mile Power Train Warranty" for a reduced price if there is enough of a demand for it. We are just now finishing up the fitment and instructions on the Santa Fe, and will also do the same for the Sonata and Kia Optima in the next couple of months.
Available: Tiburon application; twenty-eight (28) kits arriving April 28th, thirty-two (32) arriving May 9th (with more coming!). Santa Fe application; June`03. Sonata application; July / August`03. Kia Optima application; September`03.
New MSRP: $3300
ISUZU
`98-`03 Amigo / Axiom / Rodeo / Trooper / Vehicross / Honda Passport (3.2L/3.5L-V6) Supercharger Kit
(CARB E.O.# D-551)
Now with CARB certification, and the limited "3-Year / 36,000 Mile Power Train Warranty" and optional "extended power train warranty", this kit remains basically the same, but with some minor improvements. It now comes with a new nose-piece/gear cover, which helps eliminate some chatter at idle. Please be aware that this kit was designed for the 3.5L, and any 3.2L applications will have to be special ordered (requires different sized pulley). Also, please note that the cruise and throttle cable brackets for the Vehicross model (all others are throttle-by-wire) has to be special ordered as well, and has been finalized, and available within the next three weeks.
Available: Fourteen (14) kits in stock (minus the blowers), and can ship within 2-to-3 working days of ordering.
New MSRP: $3100.
NISSAN
`00-`03 Frontier / X-Terra (3.3L-V6) Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
This kit is in the final stages of development, and anticipate if passing CARB, will include the limited "3-Year / 36,000 Power Train Warranty" and optional "extended power train warranty. As we get nearer to the availability date, will know what other year/model applications this should fit. This will still be offered by Alpine Developments.
Available: Late August.
New MSRP: $3000
`02-`03 Altima / Sentra (SER & V-Spec) (2.5L-I4) Turbo w/Aqua-cooler Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
While we are still going to develop an aqua-cooled turbo kit for this engine platform, we are in the final stages of negotiations with a company to manufacture this kit "private label" for them, and will not be able to offer this kit to the aftermarket ourselves. Unfortunately, we can not divulge any more information on this application until it is near completion, and have permission from our client to reveal who they are and details of this kit.
`02-`03 Altima / Maxima / `03 350Z / Infiniti G35 /I35 (3.5L-V6) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
Like the above application, this kit will be developed for the same company to sell "private label", and we will not be offering this application to the aftermarket ourselves. As with the above kit, we can not divulge any more information on this application until near completion, and have permission from our client to reveal who they are and the details of this kit.
`95-`01 Maxima (3.0L-V6) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
We've had enough requests for this application to give it serious consideration, but because of the "private label" applications listed (and several not listed), would not be able to start on this until sometime late this fall, or early winter.
`98-`01 Sentra (1.8L-I4) Turbo Kit
(Off Road & Race Only)
Although this kit is one of many from our S. African stable of existing kits, it may be some time before we are able to bring this over to test fit on a LHD vehicle, re-tune for 91 octane, possibly add an intercooler, and look into the feasibility of getting this CARB tested and certified.
TOYOTA
`98-`03 Corolla / 00-`03 Celica / Matrix / Pontiac Vibe (1ZZ-FE engine) Aqua-cooled Turbo Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
We were re-approached by one of our existing clients a few months back, and are now in the midst of negotiations with them regarding a forced induction kit for this application, which would be a "private label" kit, and unfortunately, have put plans for our own aftermarket turbo kit on hold, until this is sorted out. Again, we can not divulge any more information on this application until it is near completion, and have permission from our client to reveal who they are and details of this kit.
`00-`03 Celica GT / Matrix XRS / Pontiac Vibe GT (2ZZ-GE engine) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
The status of this application is also on hold until a decision has been made with our "private label" client on the 1ZZ engine kit (and whether it will include this application as well), and may adapt the 1ZZ kit for use on the 2ZZ engine.
`85-`87 RWD/`88-`91 FWD Corolla (4A-GE engine) Turbo Kit
(Off Road & Race Only)
Although this kit is one of many from our S. African stable of existing kits, it may be some time before we are able to bring this over to test fit on a LHD vehicle, re-tune for 91 octane, possibly add an intercooler, and look into the feasibility of getting this CARB tested and certified.
`93-`97 Corolla (7A-FE engine) Turbo Kit
(Off Road & Race Only)
There have been fewer than 30 requests for a forced induction kit for this application, and unless there was a flood of inquiries, would have no plans to develop a kit for this application.
OTHER APPLICATIONS
We have a lot of applications we are working on (including three different GM turbo kits for a "private label" client we're just finishing up with), and because of this, a lot of the existing applications from S. Africa, and the numerous others we have received many requests for, will also have to put on the "back-burner" for a while, but will give a brief synopsis below:
BMW: It may be sometime before we can bring both the 1.8L supercharger kit, and the 2.5L turbo kit over from our stable of kits in S. Africa, but don't anticipate being be able to test fit on LHD vehicles before the end of this year. Possibly early `04.
Jeep: Even though this would be a fairly straight forward supercharger kit to adapt to the U.S. 4.0L engine, there has been very little demand for this application, so will not attempt to do so, until other higher priority projects are complete, or the demand increases, so don't expect to see this available until sometime next year.
Kia: Our 3.5L aqua-cooled supercharger kit for the new Sorento SUV (also same engine in the Hyundai XG-350) has been put on hold, waiting for Kia to make some decisions. And even though we have received numerous inquiries for the 1.8L Sephia / Spectra, and fewer for the 1.6L Rio, will not develop anything for Kia until several of the other "private label" applications are finished, which means sometime next year.
Mitsubishi: We not received enough inquiries for the 3.0L, and even fewer on the 2.4L, that unless we received a flood of inquiries in the next six months, would have no plans to develop any kits for these applications.
Volkswagen: The inquiries are growing for all of our existing S. African turbo kits for the 1.8L / 2.0L-I4, 2.8L-V6, 2.0L-I4 Beetle, along with our Aqua-cooler conversion for the 1.8T, but again, because of the priorities with existing "private label" clients, realistically won't be able to bring these kits over for test-fitments until sometime late this year, possibly even early `04
As you can see from the shear number of applications we are currently working on, that it is difficult satisfy everyone's requests at the same time, and ask that you keep in mind the costs involved in trying to bring these applications to market, with the CARB certification and power trains warranties when venting your frustration at us not building the particular kit for your application. Again, we would like to thank all of you who have made inquiries and patiently waited to hear back from us. If you should have any other questions or concerns, don't hesitate to contact us again. Thanks.
Steve beat_dow
Stephen M. Belanger
Sales & Marketing
S.A. Alpine Developments, Inc.
7581 Acacia Avenue
Garden Grove, Ca. 92841
Ph. (714) 379-8066
Fx. (714) 379-8166
sbelanger@alpine-developments.us
www.alpine-developments.co.za
[ April 29, 2003, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: ballrub ]
As many of you know, word is getting out of our existence, and we have been swamped with e-mail inquiries for over a dozen different forced induction applications since November/December of last year. Based on the number of inquiries received (which we encouraged), informed you that we would be developing forced induction applications for a number of your requested vehicle models near the beginning of the year. We've also been approached by several companies since our announcements, to manufacture forced induction applications O.E., or "private label", and many of our "planned" applications have been changed.
Before you vent any disappointment with our development decisions, please understand that for the past 24 years, 70-80% of Alpine Developments business has been the supplying of O.E. and private label forced inductions kits, and it is the owners intention to do the same here in the U.S.. One more bit of disappointing news, because of the recent global conflicts, and the fluctuation of the exchange rate between the U.S. dollar, and the S. African rand (about 20%), there will be another price increase effective May 1, 2003 (orders placed prior to May 9th, will be honored at the older price). Here's the latest on all of the applications you have been asking about:
HYUNDAI
`96-`00 Elantra/`96-`01 Tiburon (1.8L/2.0L-I4) Turbo w/Intercooler Kit (Beta I engine)
(Off Road & Race Only)
This kit remains unchanged, and still includes the fifth fuel injector and Unichip (except the Unichip tuning has been more refined), and there is no immediate plans to try and get CARB certification on, so will remain as an "Off-road and Race only" kit.
Available: Four (4) kits arriving the end of this April (three already sold!). Otherwise, "special order" allowing two-to-three-weeks shipping time from S.A..
New MSRP: $2900.
`01-`03 Elantra / `03 Tiburon (2.0L-I4) Turbo w/Aqua-cooler Kit (Beta II engine)
(Off Road & Race Only)
The decision was made to bring this kit to market as soon as possible, using the above kit's exhaust manifold and therefore is not going to be CARB certified. We have designed a new more efficient self-contained liquid-to-air "Aqua-cooler" for this kit. This kit will also get the benefit of our own new "black-box" ECU management, doing away with the Unichip. To build this kit to meet CARB certification, would require designing a new exhaust/turbo manifold that utilizes the factory exhaust manifold/catalytic converter (also increasing the cost), and the decision to do so has not been made yet!
Available: July`03.
Est. MSRP: $3000.
`96-`00 Elantra / `96-`01 Tiburon (1.8L/2.0L-I4) Supercharger Kit (Beta I engine)
(Off Road & Race Only)
This kit is still under "re-engineering", and will benefit from our new "black-box" ECU technology, replacing the Unichip. Otherwise, will remain much the same as is.
Available: July / August`03.
New MSRP: $2900.
`01-`03 Elantra / `03 2.0L Tiburon (2.0L-I4) Supercharger Kit (Beta II engine)
(anticipate CARB certification)
We are waiting to test fit the new intake manifold, and will also benefit from our new "black-box" ECU technology, and anticipate no problems on getting CARB certification before releasing for sale (which means our limited "3-Year / 36,000 Mile Power Train Warranty" would apply.
Available: August / September`03.
New MSRP: $3000.
`02-`03 Tiburon / Santa Fe / Sonata / Kia Optima (2.7L-V6) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(CARB E.O.# D-551-1)
The final version of this kit is in full production now, with only a few minor changes for safety issues (the replacement of the steel braided "cooler" hoses to rubber hose). We may offer some "upgrade" parts for this kit later on, which may include clear plastic covered steel braided hoses and urethane engine mounts. This kit may also be offered without the "Aqua-cooler" and our exclusive limited "3-Year / 36,000 Mile Power Train Warranty" for a reduced price if there is enough of a demand for it. We are just now finishing up the fitment and instructions on the Santa Fe, and will also do the same for the Sonata and Kia Optima in the next couple of months.
Available: Tiburon application; twenty-eight (28) kits arriving April 28th, thirty-two (32) arriving May 9th (with more coming!). Santa Fe application; June`03. Sonata application; July / August`03. Kia Optima application; September`03.
New MSRP: $3300
ISUZU
`98-`03 Amigo / Axiom / Rodeo / Trooper / Vehicross / Honda Passport (3.2L/3.5L-V6) Supercharger Kit
(CARB E.O.# D-551)
Now with CARB certification, and the limited "3-Year / 36,000 Mile Power Train Warranty" and optional "extended power train warranty", this kit remains basically the same, but with some minor improvements. It now comes with a new nose-piece/gear cover, which helps eliminate some chatter at idle. Please be aware that this kit was designed for the 3.5L, and any 3.2L applications will have to be special ordered (requires different sized pulley). Also, please note that the cruise and throttle cable brackets for the Vehicross model (all others are throttle-by-wire) has to be special ordered as well, and has been finalized, and available within the next three weeks.
Available: Fourteen (14) kits in stock (minus the blowers), and can ship within 2-to-3 working days of ordering.
New MSRP: $3100.
NISSAN
`00-`03 Frontier / X-Terra (3.3L-V6) Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
This kit is in the final stages of development, and anticipate if passing CARB, will include the limited "3-Year / 36,000 Power Train Warranty" and optional "extended power train warranty. As we get nearer to the availability date, will know what other year/model applications this should fit. This will still be offered by Alpine Developments.
Available: Late August.
New MSRP: $3000
`02-`03 Altima / Sentra (SER & V-Spec) (2.5L-I4) Turbo w/Aqua-cooler Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
While we are still going to develop an aqua-cooled turbo kit for this engine platform, we are in the final stages of negotiations with a company to manufacture this kit "private label" for them, and will not be able to offer this kit to the aftermarket ourselves. Unfortunately, we can not divulge any more information on this application until it is near completion, and have permission from our client to reveal who they are and details of this kit.
`02-`03 Altima / Maxima / `03 350Z / Infiniti G35 /I35 (3.5L-V6) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
Like the above application, this kit will be developed for the same company to sell "private label", and we will not be offering this application to the aftermarket ourselves. As with the above kit, we can not divulge any more information on this application until near completion, and have permission from our client to reveal who they are and the details of this kit.
`95-`01 Maxima (3.0L-V6) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
We've had enough requests for this application to give it serious consideration, but because of the "private label" applications listed (and several not listed), would not be able to start on this until sometime late this fall, or early winter.
`98-`01 Sentra (1.8L-I4) Turbo Kit
(Off Road & Race Only)
Although this kit is one of many from our S. African stable of existing kits, it may be some time before we are able to bring this over to test fit on a LHD vehicle, re-tune for 91 octane, possibly add an intercooler, and look into the feasibility of getting this CARB tested and certified.
TOYOTA
`98-`03 Corolla / 00-`03 Celica / Matrix / Pontiac Vibe (1ZZ-FE engine) Aqua-cooled Turbo Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
We were re-approached by one of our existing clients a few months back, and are now in the midst of negotiations with them regarding a forced induction kit for this application, which would be a "private label" kit, and unfortunately, have put plans for our own aftermarket turbo kit on hold, until this is sorted out. Again, we can not divulge any more information on this application until it is near completion, and have permission from our client to reveal who they are and details of this kit.
`00-`03 Celica GT / Matrix XRS / Pontiac Vibe GT (2ZZ-GE engine) Aqua-cooled Supercharger Kit
(anticipate CARB certification)
The status of this application is also on hold until a decision has been made with our "private label" client on the 1ZZ engine kit (and whether it will include this application as well), and may adapt the 1ZZ kit for use on the 2ZZ engine.
`85-`87 RWD/`88-`91 FWD Corolla (4A-GE engine) Turbo Kit
(Off Road & Race Only)
Although this kit is one of many from our S. African stable of existing kits, it may be some time before we are able to bring this over to test fit on a LHD vehicle, re-tune for 91 octane, possibly add an intercooler, and look into the feasibility of getting this CARB tested and certified.
`93-`97 Corolla (7A-FE engine) Turbo Kit
(Off Road & Race Only)
There have been fewer than 30 requests for a forced induction kit for this application, and unless there was a flood of inquiries, would have no plans to develop a kit for this application.
OTHER APPLICATIONS
We have a lot of applications we are working on (including three different GM turbo kits for a "private label" client we're just finishing up with), and because of this, a lot of the existing applications from S. Africa, and the numerous others we have received many requests for, will also have to put on the "back-burner" for a while, but will give a brief synopsis below:
BMW: It may be sometime before we can bring both the 1.8L supercharger kit, and the 2.5L turbo kit over from our stable of kits in S. Africa, but don't anticipate being be able to test fit on LHD vehicles before the end of this year. Possibly early `04.
Jeep: Even though this would be a fairly straight forward supercharger kit to adapt to the U.S. 4.0L engine, there has been very little demand for this application, so will not attempt to do so, until other higher priority projects are complete, or the demand increases, so don't expect to see this available until sometime next year.
Kia: Our 3.5L aqua-cooled supercharger kit for the new Sorento SUV (also same engine in the Hyundai XG-350) has been put on hold, waiting for Kia to make some decisions. And even though we have received numerous inquiries for the 1.8L Sephia / Spectra, and fewer for the 1.6L Rio, will not develop anything for Kia until several of the other "private label" applications are finished, which means sometime next year.
Mitsubishi: We not received enough inquiries for the 3.0L, and even fewer on the 2.4L, that unless we received a flood of inquiries in the next six months, would have no plans to develop any kits for these applications.
Volkswagen: The inquiries are growing for all of our existing S. African turbo kits for the 1.8L / 2.0L-I4, 2.8L-V6, 2.0L-I4 Beetle, along with our Aqua-cooler conversion for the 1.8T, but again, because of the priorities with existing "private label" clients, realistically won't be able to bring these kits over for test-fitments until sometime late this year, possibly even early `04
As you can see from the shear number of applications we are currently working on, that it is difficult satisfy everyone's requests at the same time, and ask that you keep in mind the costs involved in trying to bring these applications to market, with the CARB certification and power trains warranties when venting your frustration at us not building the particular kit for your application. Again, we would like to thank all of you who have made inquiries and patiently waited to hear back from us. If you should have any other questions or concerns, don't hesitate to contact us again. Thanks.
Steve beat_dow
Stephen M. Belanger
Sales & Marketing
S.A. Alpine Developments, Inc.
7581 Acacia Avenue
Garden Grove, Ca. 92841
Ph. (714) 379-8066
Fx. (714) 379-8166
sbelanger@alpine-developments.us
www.alpine-developments.co.za
[ April 29, 2003, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: ballrub ]
04-29-2003, 07:15 AM
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well, I guess that leaves me out for the supercharger for my 2000 tib. I was waiting for word on the CARB cert for the betaI...Ah well...I'll just stick with NA then.