Argarwal --

You get the S/ware, the data cable, and the ECU - why would you not be able to tune the ECU to your taste? If you don;t know how to use a laptop - then maybe you wouldn;t be able to tune it --- but I supply EVERYTHING you need to do whatever tuning you want.

 

Chris:

You say that the map used is protected so we can't change any settings. Then you tell me we CAN change any settings we want using the software... ?

 

I may be wrong in this.

This is just my theory.

The program will probably let you tune the car within the given parameters.

Tuning the ecu to levels outside the given parameters might be detrimental to the car's engine. Thus safety parameters may have been built in to deter user failure for the car.

Correct me if I'm wrong here. Its just my theory.

 

Thats retarded... With a setup like that its like having a stock ecm again.

 

I'm saying that the parameters would be much greater than what a stock ECM would hope to be.

However, maybe some parts in which a full standalone would be able to adjust, will not be able to be modified with the CNK unit due to the fact that tuning of for the particular area of the engine proves to be difficult for the avg person.

Of course, this is MY theory on the unit and not that of Chris.

Only he can say for sure.

 

But isnt that the whole idea?
You buy a turbo kit, you wack it on, you drive, you're
happy.

if you wanted anything else, why would you buy a kit
in the first place?

 

I have no problem with the CNK ECU coming pretuned, thats perfect. I do have a problem with the end user not being able to retune the CNK ecm when you decide to get those forged rods and pistons and crank up the boost. I sure as hell dont want to send my chip back to South Africa.

What I'm saying is why go through all the trouble of having a piggyback that the end user cant adjust when you could just supply modified stock ecms? That way when the customer decides to upgrade and needs a retune, he can jsut get a piggyback and tune the car like it was a stock turbo car.

Or you could just supply the tuning software with the ECU and let the end user make adjustments to the maps. Remember, some places can only get 92 or 91 octane in the states, most can get 93, and some get 94. Just the octane game should be enough to make the chip tunable by the end user.

 

As much as I understand your view Dave, I don't understand why you feel this is something new... MY UNDERSTANDING is that a company for example, like SUPERCHIPS, have chips for tuning and unfortunately when you buy some new mod, you must send it back to get it retuned for your new mod... and if I'm not mistaken, some VW's aftermarket chips are the same way...

Why must this question even be an issue... if you don't like it that you must send it back, then oh well, no chip for you... but if you understand at the time of purchase that it's something that you must do, then well it's your decision...

And yes you might say, that NOW SUPERCHIPS and VW chips can prolly be retuned here somewhere, but wait, I'm sure it wasn't like that 2-3 years ago, when I got into this scene, cause I specifically remember on FXTREME discussing the same issues...

It's the customers decision... it should not be a surprise

here's an example from the SUPERCHIPS website on one of their products:

My point is why should CNK worry about whatever else you will do to your car??? huh??? why should he worry if you go forged later??? I mean he hasn't said for you to do it, you purchased the kit knowing it's preset for his kit, why should he be so nice as to have something that later you can alter his kit? what if it is altered, and makes the engine blow??? he has no control over that, well this way he does... it's up to everyone to decide if it's worth it as is sold...

And to make one more point, I can see many going thru the same problem as of now with the ALPINE kit, what happens if you don't want a 5th injector??? well you have to modify it, it's not ALPINES fault you don't want that??? what if you don't like the UNICHIP, well that's their kit, as a buyer you have the choice and many have purchased it knowing, it's HARD to find someone to tune it, and it's hard to upgrade it later with that 5th injector... same thing... sorry I still don't see a basis for your question...

It's up to the person that buys it after all...

[ February 26, 2003, 08:05 AM: Message edited by: Bat Lord ]

 

Bat Lord, there's something you're missing; Chris is making a piggy-back, not a chip. A chip has NO way to be reprogrammed without an eprom or flash burner. That's not the case with a piggy-back, especially when it has software made especially to be able to tune it to our taste.

Another important point is that I don't think the only people who would like to use such a device would be the ones who buys the CNK turbo kit; you could want to hook up such a unit to a car running a s/c, a nitrous system, or a custom turbo setup. Even an N/A car.

You're right about the UNICHIP; it's hard to find someone to tune it, but it's not because of the device itself: it's because of the lack of dealers. It's not "protected", you can tune it the way you like once you find someone to do it. VERY different.

A non programmable piggy-back is worthless, especially one that would have the capability to be programmed the way we like but had those features "protected" or whatever. Would you have bought an S-AFC if they supplied it with a map you can't modify? I guess not. Same thing. No car is the same, even if it's the same year, same model, same brand. There can be differences in the mileage of the car, the wear of the cylinder bores and/or rings, the efficiency of the injectors, etc. And like skierd said, there's the matter of gasoline too; I certainly don't have access to 92+ octane gasoline here.

I don't see why the piggy-back would have to be "locked" to protect the engine of beeing damaged; even if that happened because of poor tuning, you certainly couldn't blame it on CNK. They only supply the device, you supply the tuning. Simple.

Anyway, just wait for CNK to reply here; this whole topic is unclear, especially the previous statements on that matter from CNK. Let's hear EXACTLY what we'll be able to tune and what will be "protected" from CNK.

 

Ok, then my response is this... how about, it's not called a PIGGY BACK by CNK but a CHIP add on...

so really it's pointless what it's called, it's up to the company selling it to decide what should be done with it... just cause of a name "piggy back" "chip" shouldn't matter sorry, it's up to them, if they want to lock it and the customers are aware, well same old same old thing as those with CHIPS have been dealing with all along...