Semi on topic:

Does anyone have any insider kowledge with this kit??

http://www.capa.com.au/news.htm#201202

 

Hey Random, get your facts strait (no disrespect). I never said that Apine experimented with the turbo kit on the tibby, although it was tested by many aftermarket companies in Korea. Team Extreme Racing in So Cal. also tested this (with the same results). I'm not dumb, I know that the threads get damaged by the bolts but what is it called commonly, cracked block. For all the other people stop turning this info website into an Eminem diss song. Oh yeah, sorry that something that controvercial was my first post but I don't spend all my time on the comp. instead I'm more hands on with all kinds of cars.

Oh yeah, boost is not boost all the time. A turbo feeds the forced air into the engine after spooling. The SC feeds the air at a more steadilly rate. Some engines cannot handle that much boost to enter the engine safely at one time, like turbos do. You even said it yourself, the Alpine kit is small, generating 4-6 psi. Why do you think Alpine couldn't make a SC with more boost? The engine can't handle it. Fact: some engines cannot handle turbos. Fact: The 2003 Tiburon is one of those engines

Nitrous is not reccomended with a car with a turbo. A number of things could happen that would result in repairs. For instance, if the tranny has not been replaced with a higher quality trans then you will need a new tranny (nos or not). If the car has not been bored or stroked than you could see, guesse what, a cracked block.

[edit] Please familarize yourself with the EDIT POST feature rather than triple posting.

[ March 18, 2003, 02:25 PM: Message edited by: Random ]

 

dude, a few things. ever heard of the post edit function? and, uh, you're just getting yourself deeper in the ****.

quote:
if the tranny has not been replaced with a higher quality trans then you will need a new tranny (nos or not)
um, no one said the tranny was a strong point.
boost is boost. cramming the same amount of air into the engine via a super or turbo is the same thing. where's the smiley guy with the popcorn bucket, because this is great viewing.

[ March 18, 2003, 01:38 PM: Message edited by: turbulence ]

 

Hey Turbulance. I know, I just get pissed off at these 14-16 yr olds that think their 1986 hatchback is the "mess" with their 4 speed manual tranny (mess is a good thing). I've spent the last 4 years working on a '69 Camaro (oops i said the C word). Me and my bro. turned a small block 350 into a 9 sec. muscle car w/ a $12,000 camillian flame paint job (yellow with a purple to black camillian flame). we are currently working on a '93 Del Sol. B20 with turbo on the way (we will add nitrous :-)). We will expect it to go down to a 11-12 sec car if we can keep the engine intact. Just trying to show my credibility. I have alot of respect for you guys but I get mad at the kids who thought that random was gunna diss me and he respectfully corrected my miswordings. When I get frustrated i babble.

 

Man,

You need to spend more time lurking and asking questions.

 

i wouldnt call visionz, fast types, and skierd kids, but say what you like man. i had no doubt that you had some sort of knowledge about the engine, i just thought some of the things were off a little bit. random cleared some things up and now things are on track. its all good. u got any pics of that camaro?

 

You didn't? Then what does this statment say?


Uh, maybe in the circles that you travel in. But normally, that is called "stripping the threads out of the block" or "stripped holes". A cracked block is a crack in either an oil passage, water/coolant passage, cylinder sleeve, or all of the above. It is quite possible to strip the threads out of the bolt holes without doing any damage to the block itself (other than the thread holes). They are ti very different problems.

You also stated that "The block over heats".
No, it doesn't. You will burst a coolant hose long before "the block overheats....and cracks". Hell, your coolant temp gauge should warn you of any impending "heat" related damage long before any damage to the physical structure of the block due to heat.

Uh, you need to go back to school and learn physics, how turbo's work, and how superchargers work. Assuming both the SC and the Turbo are running at speed, and both producing 5psi of boost. The will BOTH feed the engine the same amout of air at the same speed/time. Superchargers use a bypass valve to prevent unwanted boost, turbo's use wastegates/blow off valves. Neither is "harsher" on the engine in air delivery that the other.

Very true. However, the engine could just as easily handle a small turbo designed to deliver 4-6 psi of boost, and have the same wear/tear charastics on the engine. The SC solution is just simpler due to the routing of exhaust piping on a V engine configuration.

Not a fact, and most certianly NOT TRUE. Any engine that can handle a supercharger can handle a turbocharger set for the same boost/psi range. The only decision for using one method over the other is engine configuration. In the case of the V6 Delta engine, it is just much easier to package a supercharger than it is to create custom turbo manifolds, route the piping to a single turbo, then route the charge air piping to an intercooler..etc, etc. It is just as capable of running a turbo as a supercharger. The supercharger is just cheaper/more convienent.

Oh really? by who? You only apparently. You better run over to the DSM boards and WRX boards, Rx7 Boards, supra boards and quickly inform them of your vast knowledge and experience. They've got members who are doing it all wrong and are using Nitrous Oxide and turbos. Oh the horror!

I suppose that explains all of the 6-speed tranny breakages they've seen. Oh wait, there haven't been any!!!! I suppose that explains why the Nissan Sentra SE-R V-Spec (which shares tranny internals with the 6-speed tibby) has had such horrible tranny problems. Oh wait, none there either. Hrmmm. Just where did you get this opinion on the tranny from? rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif


Uh...so you are saying that a unless you bore/stroke the block it will crack? rolleyes.gif

[ March 18, 2003, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Random ]

 

I HIGHLY doubt there are any "kids" on this message board. This group is a VERY well knit/respected "family". And our numbers here and on TSR shows the VERY hard work and R&D that MANY have put into trying different configurations (Cheuk, Red, Random, Summer, Batlord...and so on) in reference to boost and other new concepts. Like the electronic turbo..ehhe. Just kidding. No one was "dissing" you. Just your thread/thoughts. And back in the good old days wink , we would of had a forum just for comments like this. Please post some pic's and time slips if you are going to start to "brag". As text means NOTHING, unless you can prove it. But all in all, this is a good thread for the new comers to the message board. And I commend you on this being your first topic on our board. It shows you are truely interested in boost. Now where are my damn jujubee's tongue.gif .

 

well, i was dissing him tongue.gif ...but i was dissing his entry to the board more. we have a few people on this board that are highly respected and looked to for just about any answer. if you look through the posts, you'll see who that few is...random is among them. hell, this IS his board.

 

also, i got news for ya. we aren't questioning your your knowledge of 350 camaro engines, or b20 honda engines and their turbos, but the hyundai V6 is a different animal. well, different species maybe. sure an engine's an engine to some degree, but built differently. it sounds like all your edjumuhkayshun about Hyundai's V6 is all hearsay, speculative and plainly, stuff you've heard or read. i guarantee you that there are guys on this board who you dig your heels at, but they HAVE broken down the delta, worked on it, cracked open a hyundai tranny, etc. if i were you, i would have phrased your first post as a question, such as "hey hyundai guys (which i am not one of yet), is it true that the Delta can't handle a turbo for this reason or that?" rather than try and swoop in as the savior of all knowledge and tell us things that we either already know, or try to order us to "stop dissing SCs". first time poster, tellin us all what to talk about? lol
oh, btw. us turbo kiddies on THIS board do things right. i don't know how many civic forums you've surfed, but here we don't tell our laptop to 'shut up' when it says danger to manifold, or use phrases like, "i need NOS, one of the big ones, no... better make it two" and then consider ourselves lucky we didn't blow the welds on our intake rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif rolleyes.gif
know where you're posting, and who your audience is BEFORE you take us all for glassy eyed ricer kids or idiots. one more thing, you're more than welcome to take one of your precious Superchargers and run it against Batlord, Maier, myself, or any of the other serious tuners that are taking the time to research what they're doing, not just taking someone's word for it. i don't diss superchargers, but for my car(which i love) there is not a proven supercharger that even flirts with the hp that i'll get from a t3t4 turbo setup. it just suits my needs more than a super, and many other people see it that way too. wink