I'm sure if you could afford the AWD tranny, you could prolly afford to do several modifications to the floor pan to make it work out. Well...I would expect that you would have to have some sense of knowledge as to how to go about doing that if you wanted to add AWD to Tib

And yes, the RD and RD2 rally Tibs had Eclispe AWD parts, not from the Santa Fe. Though, from what I've heard, the floor pan on the RD1 Tibs is similar to that of the Santa Fe...hence why you could, theoretically, do a AWD conversion.

I think someone on HP (dunno if he's on this board) did an AWD conversion to their Tib.

What I really wanna see someone do is an MR conversion, with a rear-mounted engine and RWD. lol.gif

And believe me...with the know-how, it's quite possible (after all, the McIntyre Tib virtually sported a mid-engine). Who's got the balls to do that? Definitely not any ricers. lol.gif

 

There IS an AWD option on 2.0 Beta engines, here in Southamerica, with gas prices almost doubling prices in the US (but we get higher grade fuels 84 - 90 - 95 - 97 octane) we don't get V6 very often, here Sonatas and Tucsons are offered with th Beta 2.0. The Santa Fe is offered with V6 or 2.0 CRDi diesel engine, so actually there IS that option, I've been inside such a vehicle.

Arctic, are you sure about the AWD Tib? I know there was a team of Tibs on the F2 Class7 category, the two of them were runned by Kenneth Eriksson and Alister McRae, but that was a FWD with a NA engine bursting 260HP (it couldn't do more because it was equipped with the OEM crankshaft, only balanced and weight reduced). I know there were AWD Tibs compiting in the Pikes Peak and US Rally, but I don't think it was WRC. FIA regulations impy that a car MUST have an homologated street version to participate in WRC, so a Tib with Mitsu parts that no production Tib has would not be accepted. Though, it's true there were AWD Tibs, just not in the WRC I think.

 

Unless you have 300hp+, I would not want an AWD. You have an advantage with awd on slippery surfaces, otherwize, it's a waist of power. Rwd is the way to go. Why? AWD will lauch you out of the box quicker but once you are off, its a disadvantage. Acceleration wise, your engine has to move 4 wheels instead of 2, a lot more waist. There is a rule of thumb that says that a traction has about 7-12% waist, propulsion has about 18-22% and an awd has 30-35%. Simply because you have more parts, transfert case, drive shaft...that don't perfectly transmit power. That is why awd should only be used in cases where traction is a big issue like drag racing and rally racing were the power lost is worth the extra traction. On a road course, propulsion will give you the best lap time. For the money/time that it will take to do the swap, you are better of putting your money somewhere else or convert to rwd only.

 

i disagree with you mcfly.. id drop the numer to about 200hp

drive an Evo, WRX, TSi AWD or a GSX and you'll agree with me.

I know a guy running a 14b on a Talon TSi AWD and does mid 12's on the track.. its hella fast

 

yeah, i'm with dweet here

AWD can equal some serious phuckin' torque man

simple or not, i think this would be beneficial if done correctly

i'm still curious if anyone knows about the size of the differentials on that set-up or has actually SEEN one yet

you been underneath one yet dweet?

 

Mmmmm...that's a bit of a faux pas right there. Tranny loss of HP with a RWD and AWD tranny are 18-20% and 20-25%, respectively. This alone means that a RWD tranny will lose roughly the same amount of HP with AWD. Traction itself does not solely depend on the transmission type as well. And on a road course, you would still have an advantage over a RWD car b/c RWD cars are prone to that nasty oversteer. However, with a more balanced car at 50/50, such problems would have minimal effect on overall performance...but not every car is 50/50 balanced. Not to mention, traction through corners depend on the camber of the wheels as they go through a turn. The more perpendicular the tire is through a turn, the more faster it'll come out of the turn. This would then imply that you need better weight transfer from left to right (meaning...this would depend on your anti-roll bar's stiffness, as well as the integrity of the chassis stiffness). Alone, a transmission type cannot dictate how well a car performs on a road course, or even dragging.

You Canadians are funny...your terminologies are a bit....well...wrong. lol.gif

A conversion of a front engine, RWD on a Tib is pretty pointless, compared to an AWD conversion. Simply b/c you'll need to most likely mate a RWD tranny from another car to fit for the Tib (which may be hard to find, since very few cars are RWD). However, AWD...well...plenty of Hyundais alone have an AWD tranny.




Well...I know they had an RD Tib compete N/A'd with FWD. I think the two AWD Tibs (of different years) that I'm thinking of competed in the SCCA. And I think you're reading way into that FIA rule. The WRC Accent completely overturns this, b/c it IS AWD. You do have to know that an actual WRC vehicle is nowhere close to the actual production vehicle. The Evo and WRXs that are made into production are nowhere close to what a WRC Evo or WRX is (especially with placement of the clutch, interior gauges, steering wheel, switches, sequential shifter, etc). Hope that helps.

 

English is not my first langage wink.gif

I agree on some of your points, what I am saying is that if you take the same car, one rwd and the other awd, the rwd will get the best lap time wink.gif For the fun of it, look for the Top Gear episode that does just that. ... :roll: I know that many other things play a role in grip/traction....what i am saying is comparing 2 identical cars with only difference the rwd/awd.