Help me please!!! n/a or forced induction
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alright i will now throw down my opinions. I havent even installed any of my parts yet, but i can give you pricing.. once you start buying stuff, either N/A, or FI, you will just want to add that one more thing to make it a lil bit better. If you have a budget of 5k, you will prob easily go over about 1k.
I went the FI route. I gave my self a budget of 3.5k. lets see how it has worked out so far..
I came across some great deals, and i am now way over budget..
Heres a list of what i have, what i payed for it, and why i couldnt pass it up.
First off came the simple emanage. i had to get all the harnesses and sensors, to get the bext i could get with it. $600.00 shipped from 2uniq.
well now that i had all this great tuning stuff i would need a clutch for the power i would make when i boost, couldnt possibly pass up a 250mile stage 4 clutchmasters clutch. $250.00 steal from Jaws
Then i hear about this wonderful AIR RAM GB. gotta have it. only big IM for the tib. ported to match intake ports.. mmmm $520.00 shipped from tiburonmoo.
now i had to have a BBTB, cuz the stocker was not going to cut it.. find a great deal on a GTR throttle body $170.00 shipped from Cyber Shark
OP has to sell all his stuff, sry man, and i see a nice wideband for sale. didnt really need it but found out it could be used for tuning with emanage had to get it. $320.00 shipped from my man OP
was going to just go with the simple kit from TIM, but noooo, i gotta go all the way and go for a modified extreme kit. I got it with the T3 super 60 for faster spool up, a custom 2.5" strait back exhaust kit, slimline fans, FPR, equal length manifold, 38 mm TIAL, graphite color coated Charge pipes, waste gate dp welded to turbo DP. $3650.00 shipped from our good buddy tim from speed factor.
And if you have an emanage theres no way in hell your gonna tune your ride with 5 little knobs, so i went ahead and purchased the support tool off ebay. 120.00 shipped from some ebay focker.
what good is the support tool without a laptop to monitor everything on. came across a mega pimping deal for a good conditioned older laptop that will run the software i need it to $140.00 shipped from vamp on hp.com
and it will still cost me, at least for the wiring install of everything and about 200-300 in dyno tuning at the shop. so im looking with fluids, vaccumm lines, and everything another $500.00 or so bucks
i think in the end after tuning at around 8-10psi to be safe, i may run about 250-260whp. i still need to look into a KAAZ LSD, and still need pistons, and rods. which would be another 2.5k for everything installed easy. for now i dont want to take the engine apart if i dont have to, cuz then ill be opening up a whole new can of worms..
to date i have spent $5770.00 and after its all installed and tuned to drive prob around $6200.00 and i still wont be very close to breaking into the 12s even if i am a good driver. with pistons, rods, LSD, i could easily run 15-17psi which would help me push 300whp, but i would still be in lower to flat 13s.
sorry for long post. but thats the route i am going and i hope to hit 12s with spending under 10k which i think is def. possible.
EDIT: thats how the word budget doesnt mean anything, or at least to me..
I went the FI route. I gave my self a budget of 3.5k. lets see how it has worked out so far..
I came across some great deals, and i am now way over budget..
Heres a list of what i have, what i payed for it, and why i couldnt pass it up.
First off came the simple emanage. i had to get all the harnesses and sensors, to get the bext i could get with it. $600.00 shipped from 2uniq.
well now that i had all this great tuning stuff i would need a clutch for the power i would make when i boost, couldnt possibly pass up a 250mile stage 4 clutchmasters clutch. $250.00 steal from Jaws
Then i hear about this wonderful AIR RAM GB. gotta have it. only big IM for the tib. ported to match intake ports.. mmmm $520.00 shipped from tiburonmoo.
now i had to have a BBTB, cuz the stocker was not going to cut it.. find a great deal on a GTR throttle body $170.00 shipped from Cyber Shark
OP has to sell all his stuff, sry man, and i see a nice wideband for sale. didnt really need it but found out it could be used for tuning with emanage had to get it. $320.00 shipped from my man OP
was going to just go with the simple kit from TIM, but noooo, i gotta go all the way and go for a modified extreme kit. I got it with the T3 super 60 for faster spool up, a custom 2.5" strait back exhaust kit, slimline fans, FPR, equal length manifold, 38 mm TIAL, graphite color coated Charge pipes, waste gate dp welded to turbo DP. $3650.00 shipped from our good buddy tim from speed factor.
And if you have an emanage theres no way in hell your gonna tune your ride with 5 little knobs, so i went ahead and purchased the support tool off ebay. 120.00 shipped from some ebay focker.
what good is the support tool without a laptop to monitor everything on. came across a mega pimping deal for a good conditioned older laptop that will run the software i need it to $140.00 shipped from vamp on hp.com
and it will still cost me, at least for the wiring install of everything and about 200-300 in dyno tuning at the shop. so im looking with fluids, vaccumm lines, and everything another $500.00 or so bucks
i think in the end after tuning at around 8-10psi to be safe, i may run about 250-260whp. i still need to look into a KAAZ LSD, and still need pistons, and rods. which would be another 2.5k for everything installed easy. for now i dont want to take the engine apart if i dont have to, cuz then ill be opening up a whole new can of worms..
to date i have spent $5770.00 and after its all installed and tuned to drive prob around $6200.00 and i still wont be very close to breaking into the 12s even if i am a good driver. with pistons, rods, LSD, i could easily run 15-17psi which would help me push 300whp, but i would still be in lower to flat 13s.
sorry for long post. but thats the route i am going and i hope to hit 12s with spending under 10k which i think is def. possible.
EDIT: thats how the word budget doesnt mean anything, or at least to me..
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Good write up my man. Once you start moding your car it never ends, you will keep buying more and more stuff, so word budget is out of place because you gonna go over it!!!
12s with putting about 10gs is probably possible with some good deals and GBs.
Good luck with your stuff man!
12s with putting about 10gs is probably possible with some good deals and GBs.
Good luck with your stuff man!
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QUOTE (01importshark @ Apr 3 2005, 02:12 AM)
alright i will now throw down my opinions. I havent even installed any of my parts yet, but i can give you pricing.. once you start buying stuff, either N/A, or FI, you will just want to add that one more thing to make it a lil bit better. If you have a budget of 5k, you will prob easily go over about 1k.
I went the FI route. I gave my self a budget of 3.5k. lets see how it has worked out so far..
I came across some great deals, and i am now way over budget..
Heres a list of what i have, what i payed for it, and why i couldnt pass it up.
First off came the simple emanage. i had to get all the harnesses and sensors, to get the bext i could get with it. $600.00 shipped from 2uniq.
well now that i had all this great tuning stuff i would need a clutch for the power i would make when i boost, couldnt possibly pass up a 250mile stage 4 clutchmasters clutch. $250.00 steal from Jaws
Then i hear about this wonderful AIR RAM GB. gotta have it. only big IM for the tib. ported to match intake ports.. mmmm $520.00 shipped from tiburonmoo.
now i had to have a BBTB, cuz the stocker was not going to cut it.. find a great deal on a GTR throttle body $170.00 shipped from Cyber Shark
OP has to sell all his stuff, sry man, and i see a nice wideband for sale. didnt really need it but found out it could be used for tuning with emanage had to get it. $320.00 shipped from my man OP
was going to just go with the simple kit from TIM, but noooo, i gotta go all the way and go for a modified extreme kit. I got it with the T3 super 60 for faster spool up, a custom 2.5" strait back exhaust kit, slimline fans, FPR, equal length manifold, 38 mm TIAL, graphite color coated Charge pipes, waste gate dp welded to turbo DP. $3650.00 shipped from our good buddy tim from speed factor.
And if you have an emanage theres no way in hell your gonna tune your ride with 5 little knobs, so i went ahead and purchased the support tool off ebay. 120.00 shipped from some ebay focker.
what good is the support tool without a laptop to monitor everything on. came across a mega pimping deal for a good conditioned older laptop that will run the software i need it to $140.00 shipped from vamp on hp.com
and it will still cost me, at least for the wiring install of everything and about 200-300 in dyno tuning at the shop. so im looking with fluids, vaccumm lines, and everything another $500.00 or so bucks
i think in the end after tuning at around 8-10psi to be safe, i may run about 250-260whp. i still need to look into a KAAZ LSD, and still need pistons, and rods. which would be another 2.5k for everything installed easy. for now i dont want to take the engine apart if i dont have to, cuz then ill be opening up a whole new can of worms..
to date i have spent $5770.00 and after its all installed and tuned to drive prob around $6200.00 and i still wont be very close to breaking into the 12s even if i am a good driver. with pistons, rods, LSD, i could easily run 15-17psi which would help me push 300whp, but i would still be in lower to flat 13s.
sorry for long post. but thats the route i am going and i hope to hit 12s with spending under 10k which i think is def. possible.
EDIT: thats how the word budget doesnt mean anything, or at least to me..
I went the FI route. I gave my self a budget of 3.5k. lets see how it has worked out so far..
I came across some great deals, and i am now way over budget..
Heres a list of what i have, what i payed for it, and why i couldnt pass it up.
First off came the simple emanage. i had to get all the harnesses and sensors, to get the bext i could get with it. $600.00 shipped from 2uniq.
well now that i had all this great tuning stuff i would need a clutch for the power i would make when i boost, couldnt possibly pass up a 250mile stage 4 clutchmasters clutch. $250.00 steal from Jaws
Then i hear about this wonderful AIR RAM GB. gotta have it. only big IM for the tib. ported to match intake ports.. mmmm $520.00 shipped from tiburonmoo.
now i had to have a BBTB, cuz the stocker was not going to cut it.. find a great deal on a GTR throttle body $170.00 shipped from Cyber Shark
OP has to sell all his stuff, sry man, and i see a nice wideband for sale. didnt really need it but found out it could be used for tuning with emanage had to get it. $320.00 shipped from my man OP
was going to just go with the simple kit from TIM, but noooo, i gotta go all the way and go for a modified extreme kit. I got it with the T3 super 60 for faster spool up, a custom 2.5" strait back exhaust kit, slimline fans, FPR, equal length manifold, 38 mm TIAL, graphite color coated Charge pipes, waste gate dp welded to turbo DP. $3650.00 shipped from our good buddy tim from speed factor.
And if you have an emanage theres no way in hell your gonna tune your ride with 5 little knobs, so i went ahead and purchased the support tool off ebay. 120.00 shipped from some ebay focker.
what good is the support tool without a laptop to monitor everything on. came across a mega pimping deal for a good conditioned older laptop that will run the software i need it to $140.00 shipped from vamp on hp.com
and it will still cost me, at least for the wiring install of everything and about 200-300 in dyno tuning at the shop. so im looking with fluids, vaccumm lines, and everything another $500.00 or so bucks
i think in the end after tuning at around 8-10psi to be safe, i may run about 250-260whp. i still need to look into a KAAZ LSD, and still need pistons, and rods. which would be another 2.5k for everything installed easy. for now i dont want to take the engine apart if i dont have to, cuz then ill be opening up a whole new can of worms..
to date i have spent $5770.00 and after its all installed and tuned to drive prob around $6200.00 and i still wont be very close to breaking into the 12s even if i am a good driver. with pistons, rods, LSD, i could easily run 15-17psi which would help me push 300whp, but i would still be in lower to flat 13s.
sorry for long post. but thats the route i am going and i hope to hit 12s with spending under 10k which i think is def. possible.
EDIT: thats how the word budget doesnt mean anything, or at least to me..
nice post man you reminf me of what I wanna do, with a few diff's, Im goign to buy an extra beta block, and build it in the garage, and I plan on dropping about 10K, in about a year and a halfs time, maybe 2 years, if I dont go on another deployment in the beginning of 2006, that will set me back about 6 months, but it will give me a chance to save about another 5 thousand bux
oh and to answer this post, GO TURBO, but build the internals, cuz your gonna be boosting all the time, for long periods, and blowing a motor on a sponsored vehicle will probably hurt you !!!!
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QUOTE (IJSTBRNDU @ Apr 1 2005, 02:17 PM)
You've gopt to be joking about the tibby not being good at auto-x....i only have about 140whp and in the last event i attended i beat an EVO-8 and a fiberglass cobra (no im not in the novice class so it wasnt inexperienced drivers) so you are waaay wrong on that point..tibbys have short gears, they are light, and with very little mods you can fit 245 slicks on her no problem...
Someone else has to be with me on this....Flame Random
does anyone know of a better supercharger than alpine because i've heard a lot of bad things about their products..
Someone else has to be with me on this....Flame Random
does anyone know of a better supercharger than alpine because i've heard a lot of bad things about their products..
NO offense dude, but an EVO-8 isn't in the Tiburon's SCCA Class, it's turbocharged and AWD. And if you can beat an EVO-8 around an autocross track/ stock vs stock, you've got to be racing an idiot. Look at the EVO's gear ratios and it's power/weight ratios. rolleyes.gif
QUOTE (hamhead @ Apr 2 2005, 07:22 PM)
The Alpine supercharger unit is like trying to get power out of a small T25 turbo with no intercooler. No matter what you do, your not going to get any power out of it, its just too small and badly designed of a unit.
Its insane they aren't intercooling it though, dumb GK owners.
Its insane they aren't intercooling it though, dumb GK owners.
The Alpine Supercharger for the V6 has a built in water/air intercooler. Know what you're talking about before you slam products.
Yes the Supercharger they use on the I4 application is small, but that was necessary due to the modest output of the stock engine. It simply couldn't put up with the drag of a larger supercharger without having a clutched SC pulley, and that would have raised the cost of the kit too high. The lack of a clutched SC Pully would have hurt the cars performance under non boost running. There's also limited space at the back of the I4 engine bay (the Gen3 engine bay has more room, with the I4 engine, for a larger supercharger) to fit a larger supercharger that wouldn't hit the firewall when the engine rocks/moves in it's squishy motor mounts.
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I never knew it had a built in air-water... never knew it was setup like that. Thanks for telling me that. I wasn't slamming the Alpine for the V6, I do prefer RIPP's unit however.
You are right that there isn't much room at the back of the bay... which does present a problem. Personally I wouldn't mind hacking up the back a little bit and fitting some harder mounts, but I guess for the average buyer it is a little too much work.
I understand what your saying about the belt (I really haven't driven many supercharged cars, turbochargers more my thing) but it really can't be all that different than trying to run lower compression on a turbocharged car and bogging down the low-end. The Tib's gearing and relatively good low-end power with a few modifications could make up for the low-end loss. I've seen plenty of supercharged cars with bigger units in less aggressive cars (Miatas for example).
You are right that there isn't much room at the back of the bay... which does present a problem. Personally I wouldn't mind hacking up the back a little bit and fitting some harder mounts, but I guess for the average buyer it is a little too much work.
I understand what your saying about the belt (I really haven't driven many supercharged cars, turbochargers more my thing) but it really can't be all that different than trying to run lower compression on a turbocharged car and bogging down the low-end. The Tib's gearing and relatively good low-end power with a few modifications could make up for the low-end loss. I've seen plenty of supercharged cars with bigger units in less aggressive cars (Miatas for example).
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[quote=Random,Apr 4 2005, 05:11 PM]
NO offense dude, but an EVO-8 isn't in the Tiburon's SCCA Class, it's turbocharged and AWD. And if you can beat an EVO-8 around an autocross track/ stock vs stock, you've got to be racing an idiot. Look at the EVO's gear ratios and it's power/weight ratios. rolleyes.gif
yea stock vs stock ok yea im beat...who doesnt know this?!?!?!?
You should do some more research before you argue because an evo-8 is in the street preparedclass which, guess what, the tiburon is also in...yes it is in a higher sub class (ex: A, B, C you get the point) but you are allowed to race up the "pedistal" but not down...and so what about p/w ratio mine is is only about 3-4lbs more per hp...(evo-8's do have turbo lag!!!)....i can also (maybe) pull more g's on the skidpad because in street prepared you can race stripped and with slicks...(you can fit 245's with quit a bit of modifying, but i only put on 235's all around) anyway the point is somehow it all worked out and why do you think a tibby handles so bad just get some coilovers strut/roll bars, 1.5 way lsd (way less understreer..car actually digs in), slicks and a new alignment and you can compete with some bad-ass cars (you might not always win but you will be noticed if you're running in a tiburon...besides racing is not all about winning and losing, its about building up brotherhood between racers who want to simply get together on the weekends to have fun, eat, and push their car to the limit to see what they can improve on) ....
anyone else with me on this one?
NO offense dude, but an EVO-8 isn't in the Tiburon's SCCA Class, it's turbocharged and AWD. And if you can beat an EVO-8 around an autocross track/ stock vs stock, you've got to be racing an idiot. Look at the EVO's gear ratios and it's power/weight ratios. rolleyes.gif
yea stock vs stock ok yea im beat...who doesnt know this?!?!?!?
You should do some more research before you argue because an evo-8 is in the street preparedclass which, guess what, the tiburon is also in...yes it is in a higher sub class (ex: A, B, C you get the point) but you are allowed to race up the "pedistal" but not down...and so what about p/w ratio mine is is only about 3-4lbs more per hp...(evo-8's do have turbo lag!!!)....i can also (maybe) pull more g's on the skidpad because in street prepared you can race stripped and with slicks...(you can fit 245's with quit a bit of modifying, but i only put on 235's all around) anyway the point is somehow it all worked out and why do you think a tibby handles so bad just get some coilovers strut/roll bars, 1.5 way lsd (way less understreer..car actually digs in), slicks and a new alignment and you can compete with some bad-ass cars (you might not always win but you will be noticed if you're running in a tiburon...besides racing is not all about winning and losing, its about building up brotherhood between racers who want to simply get together on the weekends to have fun, eat, and push their car to the limit to see what they can improve on) ....
anyone else with me on this one?
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Slicks make your car handle worse in turns and cornering (autoX does have turns doesn't it?)... what in the hell are you talking about? They also make you slightly slower once you get moving...
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Really? :unsure: Slicks that I've driven on asphault made the car handle like ass... my Dad has also told me they are worse on cornering than street radials. Maybe it was because I was driving a 1969 Nova so it wasn't going to turn well no matter what you do to it. lol.gif
Damn, every post I put in here I'm wrong.
Busting my ego...
Either way, this I'm sure about. EVO's are not laggy at all turbocharger wise. Very responsive. They handle very well for a box.
Damn, every post I put in here I'm wrong.
Busting my ego...Either way, this I'm sure about. EVO's are not laggy at all turbocharger wise. Very responsive. They handle very well for a box.
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Not to go too far off topic, but there are many factors with the tires. Compound is one. Another is setup (weight ratio). If a car is too front heavy, your rear will slide etc.
On asphalt it all has to do with the contact patch. The larger the patch, the more friction. The reason why daily driven tires have grooves is all about rain. Same reason you dont race in the rain with slicks.
Dirt requires sipes/grooves because dirt moves tongue.gif
On asphalt it all has to do with the contact patch. The larger the patch, the more friction. The reason why daily driven tires have grooves is all about rain. Same reason you dont race in the rain with slicks.
Dirt requires sipes/grooves because dirt moves tongue.gif