Sen. John Glenn
01-29-2007, 08:08 AM
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Things that make you think a little:
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January 2006.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
>From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
>From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .
an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.
But...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation..
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!
JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living.
This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions.
I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
For those who don't remember ..
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA.
Now he's a Senator!
There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January 2006.
In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the
month of January. That's just one American city,
about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq.
When some claim that President Bush shouldn't
have started this war, state the following:
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
c. Truman finished that war and started one in Korea.
North Korea never attacked us.
>From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 18,334 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
e. Johnson turned Vietnam into a quagmire.
>From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost .
an average of 5,800 per year.
f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent.
Bosnia never attacked us.
He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter three
times by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us on
multiple occasions.
g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush
has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled
al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran, and, North
Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who
slaughtered 300,000 of his own people.
The Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking.
But...
It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound.
That was a 51-day operation..
We've been looking for evidence for chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find
the Rose Law Firm billing records.
It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard
than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick.
It took less time to take Iraq than it took
to count the votes in Florida!!!!
JOHN GLENN (ON THE SENATE FLOOR)
Mon, 26 Jan 2004 11:13
Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living.
This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum is worth reading.
Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):
"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?"
Senator Glenn (D-Ohio):
"I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps.
I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.
My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions.
I was in the space program. It wasn't my
checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was
not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the
daily cash receipts to the bank."
"I ask you to go with me ... as I went the other day...
to a veteran's hospital and look those men ...
with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM
they didn't hold a job!
You go with me to the Space Program at NASA
and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans
of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...
and you look those kids in the eye and tell them
that their DADS didn't hold a job.
You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in
Arlington National Cemetery, where I have more friends
buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch
those waving flags.
You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job?
What about you?"
For those who don't remember ..
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA.
Now he's a Senator!
01-29-2007, 08:31 AM
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^^ +1.
I'm glad the media today wasn't around during the Revolutionary War or any of the world wars. We wouldn't be here today, or some of us would but we would be speaking German.
The media always enjoys to put a negative spin on everything because it sells.
I'm glad the media today wasn't around during the Revolutionary War or any of the world wars. We wouldn't be here today, or some of us would but we would be speaking German.
The media always enjoys to put a negative spin on everything because it sells.
01-29-2007, 09:01 AM
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As for folks comparing it to Vietnam...
Vietnam = 58,226 Dead = 58226 (Dead) / 14 (Years) = 4159 Per Year. Keep in mind that this is actually impossible, as in 1961 we only had 3000 advisors in country, thats it. 4159 is just an average. 1961-1975 (For the US, war had been going on for at least 2 years before).
So, let's compare to Iraq 2.
3080 (Deaths) / 4 (It won't be 4 years till March, but I'll give it to you) = 770 Per Year.
Yup. Tell me that the American backbone isn't gone, and I'll show you more numbers. It was said from the start that this would be a long and difficult war. But now that it's proving true, we want to give up and call everyone names? Point fingers at the folks that you voted into office and approved of them doing this to begin with?
Sissies.
Two last set of #'s...
Korean War
36,576 / 4 = 9144 Per Year
WWII
291,557 US Dead / 3.5 Years = 81,440.5 Per year.
Grow some backbone.
Vietnam = 58,226 Dead = 58226 (Dead) / 14 (Years) = 4159 Per Year. Keep in mind that this is actually impossible, as in 1961 we only had 3000 advisors in country, thats it. 4159 is just an average. 1961-1975 (For the US, war had been going on for at least 2 years before).
So, let's compare to Iraq 2.
3080 (Deaths) / 4 (It won't be 4 years till March, but I'll give it to you) = 770 Per Year.
Yup. Tell me that the American backbone isn't gone, and I'll show you more numbers. It was said from the start that this would be a long and difficult war. But now that it's proving true, we want to give up and call everyone names? Point fingers at the folks that you voted into office and approved of them doing this to begin with?
Sissies.
Two last set of #'s...
Korean War
36,576 / 4 = 9144 Per Year
WWII
291,557 US Dead / 3.5 Years = 81,440.5 Per year.
Grow some backbone.
01-29-2007, 09:27 AM
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um wow.
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
in both of these conflicts we entered based on what happened in world war 1. so if u dont understand why we went to both of these conflicts you shouldnt be trying to say its a bad idea.
when u give people an inch they take a mile. world war one taught us this (alsace and loraine). world war two (re armerment), iraq (weapons of mas destruction).
its not the fact that they attacked us first or that we shouldnt be there. its the fact of what happens if we do nothing and let them mobilize??
i'm not one who is for war and i'm not on the side of anyone other than myself(american) i'm just saying we dont just enter conflicts for no reason.
stop spreading propoganda, because if u think we just started attacking people for no reason they you have some serious research to do.
redz - the american people didnt vote bush in office, his payoff dollars and sneaky tricks go him there. thats why even though noone wanted him there agin for second term he won agin, and people agin said he cheated.
a. FDR led us into World War II.
b. Germany never attacked us; Japan did.
>From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...
an average of 112,500 per year.
d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962.
Vietnam never attacked us.
in both of these conflicts we entered based on what happened in world war 1. so if u dont understand why we went to both of these conflicts you shouldnt be trying to say its a bad idea.
when u give people an inch they take a mile. world war one taught us this (alsace and loraine). world war two (re armerment), iraq (weapons of mas destruction).
its not the fact that they attacked us first or that we shouldnt be there. its the fact of what happens if we do nothing and let them mobilize??
i'm not one who is for war and i'm not on the side of anyone other than myself(american) i'm just saying we dont just enter conflicts for no reason.
stop spreading propoganda, because if u think we just started attacking people for no reason they you have some serious research to do.
redz - the american people didnt vote bush in office, his payoff dollars and sneaky tricks go him there. thats why even though noone wanted him there agin for second term he won agin, and people agin said he cheated.
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Wow, that last part was completely idiotic. You ask people to stop spreading propoganda, yet you turn around and do the same damn thing.
The American people DID vote for Bush. The only people that said Bush 'cheated' was the Democratic party.
Oh, and we didn't enter Vietnam because of WWI. We entered Vietnam in an effort to stop the spread of Communism. Something we had no right to do.
The American people DID vote for Bush. The only people that said Bush 'cheated' was the Democratic party.
Oh, and we didn't enter Vietnam because of WWI. We entered Vietnam in an effort to stop the spread of Communism. Something we had no right to do.
01-29-2007, 09:59 AM
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QUOTE (optimoprime @ Jan 29 2007, 10:27 AM)
so if u dont understand why we went to both of these conflicts you shouldnt be trying to say its a bad idea.
I never said we shouldn't have done what we did, or that it was a bad idea.QUOTE (optimoprime @ Jan 29 2007, 10:27 AM)
its not the fact that they attacked us first or that we shouldnt be there. its the fact of what happens if we do nothing and let them mobilize??
I agreeQUOTE (optimoprime @ Jan 29 2007, 10:27 AM)
i'm just saying we dont just enter conflicts for no reason.
I agreeQUOTE (optimoprime @ Jan 29 2007, 10:27 AM)
stop spreading propoganda, because if u think we just started attacking people for no reason they you have some serious research to do.
what are you talking about? I'm NOT saying we attacked for no reason. It was justified, AS WAS the war in Iraq. QUOTE (optimoprime @ Jan 29 2007, 10:27 AM)
redz - the american people didnt vote bush in office, his payoff dollars and sneaky tricks go him there. thats why even though noone wanted him there agin for second term he won agin, and people agin said he cheated.
lmao.gif This isn't junior high. his "payoff dollars".... are you aware of how rich he is? Very wealthy man. So is every other candidate for Presidency!!! Hell, look at Ross Perot! Even with all of his money he couldn't win.
01-29-2007, 10:25 AM
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Okay, we obviously can't handle the political conversations here, let's close this before feelings get hurt.
I won't even take a last stab at it.
I won't even take a last stab at it.
