im not talking about HHO and im not talking about using your car battery for the electrolysis or w/e either... (ive seen it done well with good gas mileage but the production isnt high enough for a power increase really)
could be an economical choice with good gas mileage in a gsxr smart car tho lmao.gif

the problem is the price of solar panels, storage and patented injection methods, along with capable fuel tuning...
^that is where the potential is^

i would think like 4 carbon fiber paintball tanks like this with the right solenoid and relay could be a safe way to gain some hp at the flip of a switch! nitrous would be another cheap step to gain mpg+hp after fuel tuning is upgraded but cooling is an issue at that point along with compression ratio's cams and the overall heat thresholds of ur parts from the burning hydrogen... rolleyes.gif

rotary engines apply this better taking even more heat and revving higher, along with more compression but thats another story

 

^^^ Agree with you on the rotary engine method, but unfortunately most of us don't drive one. And for those of you that want to argue the standard, "it takes more energy to produce HHO than it yields" are thinking in conventional electrolysis terms. The rules have been bent on many occasions. Ever hear of Stan Meyers? He was murdered for his work. Seen this video many times, but here it is for the non believers:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8stApCmxYEM...feature=related

1700% more energy produced than used to create the HHO gas. And this was from his prototype. We may never see his final project. RIP

DTN: I haven't looked at a purchased "guide" to see the exact instructions, but from researching it the basic set-up is a line that exhausts the HHO gas that is produced is simply ran into the air intake before the TB, where the HHO gas is sucked in with the air. This is part of the problem of the efficiency, getting the ECU to manage the proper fuel/air ratio. Programming will be necessary in order to achieve decent mileage gains, but up to 100% mileage improvements have been achieved with tuning. The average mileage gains that people have stated are about 40%. That is where I got that figure. No programming is necessary to do this. Without tuning, the result will simply be lower mileage gains. Without reading a full e-book purchased from one of the online sites, I don't know the exact answer yet on tuning. I'll find that out Friday when I order the info. Yes, I could ergo buying the info, but then I'd be going by trial and error with building and tuning. Why deal with the headaches when I can spend $50 and do it right the first time?

Plus, for anyone interested, I will e-mail them a copy once I purchase it so they can try this too.

the ignorance comment was not directed at DTN, but to a lot of folks that want to simply blow this off as if it is impossible. Youtube HHO conversion/kit and there are many videos showing cars with these systems running on a gas/HHO mix. You can even find a few videos of straight-up hydrogen/water cars too.

Yes I know there are basic diagrams available on the net, but I don't mind spending $50 for detailed instructions. Plus, baking soda is only one additive that can be used, and many argue not to use it due to potential damage to the bubbler system.

Mr Muffin: some of the research I've been doing does show that multiple systems do improve mileage. for a V8 four canisters should be used. For a big rig or other large vehicle, six are used. I will probably build a two or three system for my truck. As far as adding Nitrous to the mix, no thanks. As DTN said, it takes knowledge and tuning to work with Nitrous, and it would be one more step to complicate a system like this that I'd rather avoid. One step at a time.

 

See what I mean? Nitrous oxide is not fuel. It is oxygen. It allows you to get worse mpg ang better hp.

I was reading that heat will help the hydrogen release from the water as well, so maybe putting the storage container near the exhaust manifold or behind the radiator would be a good idea.

 

I'd be interested in a copy if you got it, just to check it out. It's sort of scary if this does really work, that the technology has not been exploited yet. I watched that video on youtube, it was really interesting and I'm going to look into more of this later tonight.

Edit: Read some more...don't know what to believe, I keep seeing websites that contradict each other. One says some of these technologies are possible, the others say they aren't. If they are true and work then we live in a pretty f***ed up society. Until I read more, build my own, or see someone apply this I don't really know what to think.

 

Guys, I bought the more expensive manual ($97) that includes 2 books. It's really a pretty simple set-up, and I've started hunting down the parts I need to build this. From my research, I'm finding much more complex set-ups that will produce more HHO gas, but this kit will be my first set-up. Baby steps.

For anyone interested or those that are not convinced this will work, there are TONS of videos on youtube, along with plenty more on various websites and forums.

For a GREAT explanation of how this works, watch the video series Hydrogen Fuel - Engine Fundamentals on Youtube. There are several videos that will take well over an hour to see all of. Well worth it though. I'll also be investing in books and any other info I can find to learn as much about this as I can. With gas at $4/gallon, and most definitely $5 & $6/gallon in the next 2-3 years, we really gotta do something to stay afloat. I just cant see spending $600/month on gas in the next couple of years by not doing anything.

 

The energy necessary to separate water into HHO is always less than the energy gained by recombining the HHO into water. This is not up for debate, it is not subject to any "conventional terms" and it's not a rule that can be bent. It is true regardless of the method you use to separate the water molecule. It is very basic physics and logic. Think about it: you start with water, and (after going through HHO) you end up with the SAME amount of water (in form of vapors) - how the hell can you imagine you can gain energy from this cycle??

It's exactly like saying "I will power an electric motor, which will power an electrical generator, and I will end up with more power than I used up". It is exactly the same flaw, you are always converting energy, but you can never create energy.

No videos, 1700% claims, or murder investigations can change this. I urge you to do your own research and understand this basic physical fact before buying into outrageous claims like those in the video you linked. Ask anybody with basic chemistry knowledge. Consult any textbook. Read the references cited in the wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_...ater#Efficiency

I find it laughable that people jump to conclusions like "the government stopped free energy" when in fact "physics and logic stopped free energy". Use your own head to judge things, don't be a sheep..

Oh, and byronwine is an idiot.

 

Here is a great quick Q&A page also: http://www.hydrogenassociation.org/g...aqs.asp#octane

Oh, and radu_rd2, by simply quoting a wiki page, blatantly denying tons of video examples of demonstrations of engines running on hydrogen and HHO supplement systems, and proof that this has been done for 200 years now (It's there if you look) and calling those that provide info and resources on the subject and have spent YEARS documenting information and contacts an IDIOT, only makes you look like one.

I by no means claim to know even an ounce of positive proof about the idea of producing your own Brown's Gas and running your car off of it, but there is tons of evidence out there in support of it, and I will spend the next couple of years learning as much as I can about it and experimenting with it myself. At this point, I am much more in favor of believing it to be possible, than to blatantly say that it can't work; science proves it. What we know as science has been turned on it's head again and again throughout history. This may very well prove to be another one of those cases before too long.

Worst case scenario: you can't produce enough HHO to run your car via converting water. You COULD set up a hydrogen tank to either burn with gasoline or exclusively and yield improved mileage, better energy efficiency, and a cleaner burn at about half the cost of gasoline. The problem with that method would mainly be a fueling station. Tanks can be purchased for roughly $700 made of carbon fiber. This however, would not be "free" energy. Just a cheaper alternative to gasoline.

 

I do not deny that engines can run on hydrogen, nor am I saying that this is a bad idea (actually, it is a very good idea in terms of emissions).

But engines can never run on water by hydrolysis into HHO and then burning the HHO back into water. I linked that wiki page so that you can check out the references cited by it, I am not blindly quoting it. You should argue about it if you think I'm wrong, saying that there are a hundred videos on youtube and claiming that people have done whatever for 200 years (yeah, YOU must know that for sure) just enforces my thinking that you have no idea what you're talking about. Science proves it CAN'T work, and it's the kind of science you should have been familiar from (at most) high-school chemistry.

YOU refuse to use your own brain and think, and study some basic chemistry facts. I only hope you will one day soon understand the basic facts I presented, and when that happens I hope you won't feel too much of a jackass..

And that byronwine guy IS an idiot, I emailed him and presented him with these basic facts, he was unable to argue against them, so he sent me a caricature of a cat spewing some propaganda. Can't argue with Garfield!!

 

Free energy = wind, solar, rivers and streams.

Harness this into making hydrogen and you've got free engergy.

 

^ yup, too bad most of these are hard to harness efficiently (except rivers)