I'm pro-choice. I feel the same as the others, you shouldn't be told you have to keep a baby. I mean if you abuse it like a friend of mine did in high school and used abortion as a form of birth control. That being said. When I was in high school I got pregnant, with my daughter, Floyd and I went back and forth about what to do and what would be the right thing to do because we were so young. I was 17 and he was 18; he had just graduated and I still had a year to go before I graduated. It was about a month before we came to the conclusion that we were going to keep the fetus. It was a hard choice to make. We had only been dating for 3 months, and being so young how would we make it. Life has not been easy for us. We wouldn't trade her for anything, but if we had to do it all again, I am not certain that we would make the same choice.

For the pro-life people i find it hard to understand your point of view. Who are you to tell someone who has been raped that they need to go through the torture of having a growing thing inside you to constantly remind you that you were raped!! Am I being just a female? I don't think so. Who would want to forced to remember something like that? I know that I wouldn't. That may be an over dramatic view but still.

You should be able to make up your own mind. I also feel that they guy should have a say in things. I know that is a more touchier subject. There should be a clear concise decision.

 

^awesome story, props to you guys, and ive seen pictures of you guys and your daughter having a blast together. very happy for you.

as many opinions as we guys may have, it doesnt take us that long to contribute to making a child. a woman puts in 9 months, i think her opinion is a little heavier.

 

^^See, I look at it like both people put in the rest of their lives. Sure you're not required to take care of the child forever but your life will be forever changed.

As for my family, it was a tough situation but a lot of good came of it. We were (still are) young enough to have a lot of fun with our daughter. I'll be 36 when she's 18. That's better than waiting until we're 40 and being 58 when she turns 18, at least in my opinion.

Since she'll be 11 next month I would say that my wife and I have learned our lesson and have been reproductively responsible in the time since our daughter was born. If something failed at this point we would have to decide whether to keep it or abort. We've discussed our plans for the future and they don't involve more children, we don't want to spend our entire lives raising children. If we decided to abort, it would be with very heavy hearts. I personally don't have it in me to give a child up for adoption, but I don't know that I have it in me to raise another child either. We are being careful to make it so that we never have to face this decision.

 

Pro choice, but I certainly agree that it should in no way be used as a means of birth control.

 

hence my pro-limited-choice.

At some point it needs to be called murder. If some drunk crosses the center line and kills a pregnant woman, they get two counts in some places. I agree if it is a rape, hell no they shouldn't have to keep it. They also have the morning after pill, but they are not 100%. There are also cases when the pregnancy is life threatening. Making abortion illegal would cause some serious problems in those situations. Let them both die because someone is stuck on NO in all cases.. yeah that is a great idea.... What I can't see as right are the late term abortions or those that use it as a form of birth control, that seems like murder to me. I have 4 kiddos and im 27, would life have been easier without having one at 18. I am sure it would be, but I wouldn't have my daughter.

I also get the woman's rights argument. It is there body, but that is another life. If my wife takes out one of the rug rats running around right now, wouldn't that be murder. Someone needs to make a call on when it is a fetus and when it becomes a full on human. No I do not think it is at the point of conception either so please don't take me as a far right wacko. Once the kid has a heart beat, brain function, and is self aware, that is a human being, not a disposable fetus.

 

Very true and I do have a problem with late term abortions. Though like you have stated that if there are complications and if you have to make the hard choice of your life or the fetus; then in my opinion i would have to be selfish and choose my life because you can always try it again or adopt. I feel that either way its a hard choice either way. Life has been hard and don't get me wrong I love my daughter and am glad we decided to keep her. In many ways Floyd and I have stuck together through some really hard times because of her. In the end it was our choice. We didn't let anyone tell us that keeping it was wrong. If anything it has made a us stronger. Considering I was still in high school when I had her, took two months off and did a homeschool program and walked with the rest of my class I have to say that she has helped to make us who we are today because we had to instantly grow up and were responsible for another human life. That was very scary at such a young age.

I feel that either way you shouldn't be quick to judge how other people live their lives until you walk in their shoes there is no reason to judge someone. Especially when you are going to sit there and call them a murderer. Where do you draw the line? Couldn't they be considered a murderer if they take the morning after pill? Because in a since you are not giving it a chance? Then you have to think about the chicken and the egg... If you eat eggs are you not eating a chicken fetus? SO you should be called a murder yourself.

I just don't think that it is right for one person to tell another person what they can and cannot do with their body! It isn't your body so you should have no say in anything they do. That would be like walking up to a couple and telling the man that they aren't good enough because his shoes don't match his car. I mean seriously. There is no reason for other people to decided what someone does. Or to say that you opinion doesn't matter because you are black. This is supposed to be a free country and you are free to have your own opinion no matter what it is.

 

IMO, like I said in my last post. That however is just my opinion. Some say it is at conception. As you can see in my post above, I dont agree with that and think the morning after pill > actual surgical abortion. This will always be a fight because of that question. When is the thing inside of them another person?


So when do you draw the line? After the kiddo takes a breath? Is that when it becomes ok to call it murder for ending the life, in your opinion? Sorry I am not trying to be an ass with that but no matter how I word it, it sounds like it. I am actually asking a question.. not being a smartass.


it is, tasty tasty murder - Same response I give vegans that call me a murderer for eating a good steak. I actually perfer my steak pre-tenderized. I say beat it with a stick to take it down.


at some point you have to call it another body / person. Goes back to the statements above. If that is when it is out of the mother, ok. Also.. is it up to the gov. to make that call? That is another issue I have with making it "illegal". The Gov. playing god? When they can't seem to balance a budget.. Hmmm.. I am not a Christian, but I could look at this entire thing and say, make it legal and let God sort the right and wrong out (as I am an Agnostic).


to a point I agree. Do what you will and harm none is what I say... But when someone gets behind the wheel of a car drunk, I say someone should stop them. Or if someone is crazy as hell or drunk, They shouldn't have a gun. If someone is stealing something, I say they should be stopped. Yes this is swinging way out into other realms but so is the last part of your last paragraph with the shoe comments. Why did I bring all this up.. it is hurting others in some way. At some point, a line I do not have the authority to define, but I can have an opinion on it, it is murder. Maybe that is at the point of viability? 22 weeks or so I believe.. when they could C-section the kid out and let it live. Dunno. To me it is a life with the circumstances I outlined above, but again. My opinion and not yours obviously.

 

When you eat an egg you are not eating a chick fetus. Hens lay eggs with or with out a Rooster fertilizing them. If they are not fertilized their will be no chick in the egg, these are the eggs you buy and eat. If the egg is fertilized then there will be a fetus in it, and they are not sold to be ate as food by humans. So eating an egg is not killing a baby chick. Hence why at egg farms the roosters are kept away from the hens.

 

^I did not know this.

 

Yep.

And for more random trivia, a chicken's egg (or any unfertilized egg for that matter) is a single cell. The Ostrich's egg is the largest single cell in the world.