WANTED: Recipe and $$$ for 300hp+ Elantra
05-25-2002, 10:43 PM
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WANTED: Recipe and $$$ for 300hp+ Elantra
As stated in the topic...I need a recipe. I want this thing safe and also daily-driveable. You guys are the experts...let's see what you've got!
Have a good one!
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Have a good one!
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05-26-2002, 12:46 AM
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Now is this 300hp at the wheels or at the crank? Are you planning to do all at once or are these incremental upgrades. Are you planning to do th work yourself or will you have a shop do it? The list below is not in any way complete as I am sure that I have missed something ( like gaskets bolts and any odds and end to bolt on everything)
Turbo Kit 2500$ (USD)
BBTM 300
Headers 400
Nitrous 529
CAI 300
s-AFC 243
new clutch 344
flywheel 400
new injectors ???
fuel pump 300 ??
Perfomance exhaust system 600$
total 5812 USD
in canadian dollars (62%) 9415$
This does not include shipping and handling duty and taxes so add another 15% for tax
this would bring it up to 10827 $
Now you need to ask yourself is this worth it. as you would void your warranty on you new 2002 car.
you would have paid about 20 k CDN for your 2002 doing this work (not including what you have already put into your car about 5k?)
so lets see
car 20 K
current mods 5k
Power mods 10.1k
Total 36.1k
Does this make any sense?????? One last thing if you are having a shop do this do not forget to add in about labour at 60/hr (CDN)
turbo 1000
nitrous 800
headers 1000
bbtm 400
s-afc 150
exhaust 300
fuel pump 150
clutch/flywheel 500
or about 4200 in labour
that would bring it up to
40.3 k
car 20k
mods 5k
power mods 10.1k
labour 4.2k
does this make any sense????????
Random, Mechanix_034, Cheuk... anyone else have any input to this????
Turbo Kit 2500$ (USD)
BBTM 300
Headers 400
Nitrous 529
CAI 300
s-AFC 243
new clutch 344
flywheel 400
new injectors ???
fuel pump 300 ??
Perfomance exhaust system 600$
total 5812 USD
in canadian dollars (62%) 9415$
This does not include shipping and handling duty and taxes so add another 15% for tax
this would bring it up to 10827 $
Now you need to ask yourself is this worth it. as you would void your warranty on you new 2002 car.
you would have paid about 20 k CDN for your 2002 doing this work (not including what you have already put into your car about 5k?)
so lets see
car 20 K
current mods 5k
Power mods 10.1k
Total 36.1k
Does this make any sense?????? One last thing if you are having a shop do this do not forget to add in about labour at 60/hr (CDN)
turbo 1000
nitrous 800
headers 1000
bbtm 400
s-afc 150
exhaust 300
fuel pump 150
clutch/flywheel 500
or about 4200 in labour
that would bring it up to
40.3 k
car 20k
mods 5k
power mods 10.1k
labour 4.2k
does this make any sense????????
Random, Mechanix_034, Cheuk... anyone else have any input to this????
05-26-2002, 01:26 AM
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Do you want to do it the right way or the cheap way?
The right way......
Turbo kit $3500-$4500
Pistons $600
Rods $600
Clutch $400
P & P head $1200
BIM & BTB $400-600
Stand Alone Engine Management $1500
Exhaust $400
Fuel pump $200
Bigger injectors $350
There is more but that is the biggest parts.
The cheap way...
Turbo kit $3500-4500
Pistons $350
Clutch $400
Apex-i SAFC $350
Exhaust $400
Fuel pump $200
Bigger injectors $350
Now the new XD Elantra uses a returnless fuel system so it is gonna be harder to get the fuel right without a stndalone, the Apex-i might not even work. This is the only reason mine isn't boosted right now. I'm waiting to see what is done in the Honda camp for the new Civic & RSX turbo/SC kits(they have returnless now also). All that have came out so far is standalone engine management with the kits. I am trying to avoid this right now. Also keep in mind that there are a lot of little things you have to buy like gauges, hoses and what-nots. Those prices also DO NOT include any labor. Good luck.
The right way......
Turbo kit $3500-$4500
Pistons $600
Rods $600
Clutch $400
P & P head $1200
BIM & BTB $400-600
Stand Alone Engine Management $1500
Exhaust $400
Fuel pump $200
Bigger injectors $350
There is more but that is the biggest parts.
The cheap way...
Turbo kit $3500-4500
Pistons $350
Clutch $400
Apex-i SAFC $350
Exhaust $400
Fuel pump $200
Bigger injectors $350
Now the new XD Elantra uses a returnless fuel system so it is gonna be harder to get the fuel right without a stndalone, the Apex-i might not even work. This is the only reason mine isn't boosted right now. I'm waiting to see what is done in the Honda camp for the new Civic & RSX turbo/SC kits(they have returnless now also). All that have came out so far is standalone engine management with the kits. I am trying to avoid this right now. Also keep in mind that there are a lot of little things you have to buy like gauges, hoses and what-nots. Those prices also DO NOT include any labor. Good luck.
You also don't do CAI with turbo tongue.gif
05-26-2002, 09:00 AM
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Decker:
Walbro 255lt fuel pump is $100 smile.gif</div>That fuel pump don't work with a returnless system as far as I know. Also can our engines handle turbo + No2? Why not just go N02? You got to build the bottom end up anyway for a 300+ turbo. So why not get a little more for your money. Go Direct Poort NO2. I can get NX direct port (wet) for $530. good for 200 HP. Bottom end build up and bolt ons should give you around 200 HP to the wheels. Now add the 200 HP Direct port NX kit for an additional 200 HP at the wheels. Now that makes a 400+ HP to the wheels. Now you can add a digital delay/progreesive controller to the No2 kit for about $400. this will allow you to dial in traction off the line. Also you would only launch with about 220 HP to the wheels making it friendly to the axles. Which would otherwise need to be upgraded if you go forced induction. Because the axles on these cars aren't all that strong. It will also be friendly on the clutch. Depends on how you drive. the clutch should not see the total 400+ HP. It should only see the 200 HP assuming your foot isn't to the floor while the clutch is mid way. SO thats about $1000 on NO2 instead of a bolt on turbo with internals for $4000. Now the internals should cost you about $2000. Saving $1000 and giving you twice the HP that the turbo would give you. Plus you would save in needing new axles and differentials. And also being daily driver friendly. Now for that high of a shot you will need forged pistons, a new head gasket to lower compression ratio a little more, port and polished heads, titanium valves, new valve rings and piston rings, upgraded (most likely stand alone fuel system) Bigger injectors. Good luck. And keep me in mind if you wanna go NO2 route. I am an NX dealer and can give everyone a really unbeatable price on the kits.
Walbro 255lt fuel pump is $100 smile.gif</div>That fuel pump don't work with a returnless system as far as I know. Also can our engines handle turbo + No2? Why not just go N02? You got to build the bottom end up anyway for a 300+ turbo. So why not get a little more for your money. Go Direct Poort NO2. I can get NX direct port (wet) for $530. good for 200 HP. Bottom end build up and bolt ons should give you around 200 HP to the wheels. Now add the 200 HP Direct port NX kit for an additional 200 HP at the wheels. Now that makes a 400+ HP to the wheels. Now you can add a digital delay/progreesive controller to the No2 kit for about $400. this will allow you to dial in traction off the line. Also you would only launch with about 220 HP to the wheels making it friendly to the axles. Which would otherwise need to be upgraded if you go forced induction. Because the axles on these cars aren't all that strong. It will also be friendly on the clutch. Depends on how you drive. the clutch should not see the total 400+ HP. It should only see the 200 HP assuming your foot isn't to the floor while the clutch is mid way. SO thats about $1000 on NO2 instead of a bolt on turbo with internals for $4000. Now the internals should cost you about $2000. Saving $1000 and giving you twice the HP that the turbo would give you. Plus you would save in needing new axles and differentials. And also being daily driver friendly. Now for that high of a shot you will need forged pistons, a new head gasket to lower compression ratio a little more, port and polished heads, titanium valves, new valve rings and piston rings, upgraded (most likely stand alone fuel system) Bigger injectors. Good luck. And keep me in mind if you wanna go NO2 route. I am an NX dealer and can give everyone a really unbeatable price on the kits.
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Thanks for all the help.
My plans are to get set-up with my body kit which will hopefully get here soon. (Hint-Hint Nudge-Nudge Shark Racing...any more news?) I'm installing my suspension this weekend on saturday and if I'm lucky my mags should also be comming in by the end of this week (tomorrow).
As for the engine I have to get the funds together to build this thing. I work at a body shop and I'm planning to do some shows with my car. The body people are really good there and they've never thought of catering to our kind of jobs.
Anyhow, if anyone wants body work done let me know and I can hook you guys up. They use this special stuff under the base coat which plastifies the metal befor they paint it. Most shops I've been to shoot base coat directly on the metal which is really bad on the rust.
Anyhow, as I was saying as soon as I can show them that the performance people are worth putting that extra effort in for hopefully they'll help sponsor my car. $10,000 seems pretty expensive for a set up but that's pretty much what I figured. I don't want to touch NOS and I heard that a supercharger might be better on my car. I got an autotragic unfortunatly as an incentive to get out of my expensive hobby but I guess that didn't work.
Anyhow, thank's very much for all the help!
My plans are to get set-up with my body kit which will hopefully get here soon. (Hint-Hint Nudge-Nudge Shark Racing...any more news?) I'm installing my suspension this weekend on saturday and if I'm lucky my mags should also be comming in by the end of this week (tomorrow).
As for the engine I have to get the funds together to build this thing. I work at a body shop and I'm planning to do some shows with my car. The body people are really good there and they've never thought of catering to our kind of jobs.
Anyhow, if anyone wants body work done let me know and I can hook you guys up. They use this special stuff under the base coat which plastifies the metal befor they paint it. Most shops I've been to shoot base coat directly on the metal which is really bad on the rust.
Anyhow, as I was saying as soon as I can show them that the performance people are worth putting that extra effort in for hopefully they'll help sponsor my car. $10,000 seems pretty expensive for a set up but that's pretty much what I figured. I don't want to touch NOS and I heard that a supercharger might be better on my car. I got an autotragic unfortunatly as an incentive to get out of my expensive hobby but I guess that didn't work.
Anyhow, thank's very much for all the help!