It doesn't have to be illegal you moron, and I don't have to show you anything. All it takes is someone on here to get mad, contact the JAG in the military, and have an investigation done. They see we have this website, they see we are supporting KNOCKOFF items, they contact the original MFR (like AEM), find out if they prosecute knockoffs, then JAG does the rest.

You have no understanding of the military.

An example I can give you.

I was in Korea last time back in 2001. The really REALLY popular "Throwback Jerseys" that were everywhere about 4 years ago were sold, EVERYWHERE in Korea for $25. THESE weren't even knockoffs, they were actually made in Korea. But, since they weren't being sold by the company that had the licence for them (NBA, Ect), the guys in the Army that were selling them on websites back in the USA got ARRESTED! 2 that I know of got KICKED OUT OF THE SERVICE WITH A BAD CONDUCT DISCHARGE, one with a OTHER THAN HONORABLE DISCHARGE, and a retired 1st Sergeant that worked with them back in the USA, that was running the forums they sold them on, had his discharge changed to OTHER THAN HONORABLE and his retirement taken away.

This was for selling a NON knockoff item, under the other companies noses.

So, to keep us from having any trouble, we do not support knockoffs, at all.

The legal argument is NOT bullshit, as we've had vendors come and contact us before, to tell us to take an item off of the site, or we will face legal action. This is the same reason we do not allow illegal street racing threads. This is the same reason we do not allow drug paraphernalia to be sold here. Forum based sites are being sued all the time for stuff going on on them, large manufacturers DO go around and find websites that are promoting or selling knockoffs of their items.

We cover our asses in all ways by enforcing stricter rules than we need my man. You may not like it, others certainly do not, but no one is forced to post here, and no one is forced to even view this site. It's by choice. We chose to not delve into the stuff that could get us in trouble, or waste years of hard work in our lives.

End of argument.

 

http://keystone-auto.com/pressroom/release...0/03-23-00.html - one example, took me 20 seconds (including typing in google.com and clicking search)

It's illegal. It's called Copyright violations. We DO NOT want to promote illegal activity.

 

Caj, on that note, I digress back to your original sentence.

You prove to ME that they are legal. You go through that, and get us some written confirmation from AEM or whomever else that a product you want to see on this site is legal and not a knockoff, you go and get me some legal documents that say I will not be sued or come after for advocating these items, and we'll let them all on.

So, I'd suggest you start by contacting...

AEM
Vielside
Cudadesigns
The US Army Judge Advocate General
The US Air Force Judge Advocate General
The US Navy Judge Advocate General
The US Marines Judge Advocate General
The US Coast Guard Judge Advocate General
The US Department of Defense
The Veterans Administration Legal Branch

Any other recommendations?

 

Indeed dude, copyrights and patents were invented to PROTECT someone's designs. Otherwise what on earth would you pay to register copyrights and patents FOR?

As I mentioned in the prior thread regarding this I am not suprised AT ALL that the companies (AEM, Veilside et al) come on here in one bit.. Reason being? we're a part of their bread and butter. Of course you would want to see how your products are rated. And TBH Rdtiburon is THE biggest site for Tiburons on the net. OF COURSE they are going to be keeping an eye on it here.

I don't want to sound nasty but my main bone of contention isnt over people in the military (that isnt meant to be harsh people) it's more that if we screw over people who actually DO design things for the tib then they will highly likely STOP designing things for the tib.

Of course it does matter that noone gets screwed but there are far too few manus making parts for the tib, and those that do should be praised for it and not have to watch people stick up their middle fingers with a cavalier attitude and say F YOU !

 

I think if veilside or AEM gave a damn, they would have taken legal action however many years ago when the replicas started. They obviously could give a shit less. If the military is going to come to my house for saying this then that should say something about the whole united states authority and priorities.

Don't they have some terrorists to kill why would they give a shit about us talking about knockoffs.

 

I think this whole discussion is just Nate getting a rise out of everyone. Who cares guys. I bought a bumper when I was 19, had it shipped over, and eventually it was part of a 10,000 dollar paint and body job on my own car. I then took it off, had it molded, and messed up the paint so that one day (soon I hope) I could get the same bumper made out of Carbon Fiber. Meanwhile, I've been selling dead on fitting front bumpers, which I call Type S, and people who buy them love them. Am I bad? Even if one shmuck out there in internet land doesn't like it, I got 10 guys who are stoked about it. Why should everyone else go without the bumper that I could barely find myself 5 years ago, back when ANOTHER company was making it, aside from the original designer?

And my Type R bumper is 100% FlyRyde original mangs. Granted we had a bumper imported from the UK to make it, we made our subtle changes, and manufacture it in FG and CF now, and nobody else on earth sells the same bumper.

So there's the invovlment on FlyRyde. And for anyone who cries about the CAIs, its a freakin 10 dollar tube guys. It just so happens, that even if that exact tube came in a million different colors, it still wouldn't mean a damn thing when a cop tells me to pop the hood and he cant find a Carb number. So if you want to support a company who's made life easier for you and provided you with a stupid sticker with a stupid carb number on it, then cool, be like me and dont get needless tickets, because you're sporting a 50 state legal AEM intake.

 

this thread will be closed fast, unless specific, worthy, constructive information can be provided.

 

They may not go to your house, but they may come to mine, javageeks, peter2120 ... not to mention the hundreds of other military affiliated individuals on this site. this could end any of our careers if one of the many companies do decide to take legal action. So yes they/we have terrorist to hunt, but we also have to make sure their military members are law abiding citizens. If they are not then they dont need to be part of the military.

 

no this is not just to get a rise out of people chris.. all rules should be the same for EVERYTHING, not just make exceptions for certain people and have a double standard..

lets see. for specific knockoffs..

type S: DIRECT copy of the studie... so thats a knockoff.

type R:almost DIRECT copy of the EVO bumper.. did you change the design 25%? no, you didn't so it would still be stealing the design.. did you get hyundais permission to reproduce there bumper? i bet you didn't do that either. and that bumper isn't a flyryde 100% original, its the EVO hood with some subtle changes.

all the versus motorsport products that flyryde promotes, that he sells including the copy of the ZEFIRO kit, the MPS copy, GTR copy, and Veilside copy are ALL direct knockoffs.

its not the point of how much you spent to get it shipped and your car painted, and blah blah blah blah.. the point is that its a knockoff part from another company, and you did not pay them to use there design or get the rights to it.

it doesn't matter if ONE shmuck doesn't like it and you have 5,000 that are stoked about it, if a rule it to be followed there should be NO exceptions.. if you brought the LAW into any of this, they aren't going to care if everyone in the united states wants to buy your knockoff, its a stolen design..

so, if this site does not promote illegal activity, and sale and promotion of knockoff parts, pretty much all of flyrydes kits can't be promoted, sold, or listed on this site..

and java, to your statement, i understand, and i am with you 100%. i have NOTHING against buying a knockoff personally, but if rules are to be set where there will be no promotion, sale, or distribution of knockoff parts on this site, that should apply to EVERYONE and EVERYTHING. i know there is no way to get an MPS, Cuda 1 kit, etc. but we can't just allow people to sell or represent the knockoffs on rdt, it would be in the same violation of any other promotion of a knockoff part.

 

And you don't think they have? They go after the worst of the offenders, and yeah, tons of folks have, and do, get sued over this stuff.

Don't be a dumb ass, are YOU in the military? Have you ever been? No, then what I said doesn't apply to you. it does, however, apply to 2 of the 3 admins of this site, one of which is the owner.

JAG doesn't kill terrorists you moron, they make sure that the legal and moral code of the military if followed.

Post some stupid shit again, and I'll ban you for a month.



Good, because there isn't a double standard.



Studie no longer exists. Hasn't for some time. Bumpers are NOT available other than KOREAN knockoffs.



This one shouldn't matter at all, it's a bumper that was never available here, or for sale ANYWHERE. It's a replica piece, of something you cannot buy.



MPS = Out of business for 3 years now. Zefiro no longer makes the FIRST kit, as I've been told by Jay and Taekmin. When it started being copied, they made the Turbo Edition and stopped making the first. Club GTR no longer makes RD parts, hasn't for 2 years. Vielside, I agree, shouldn't be sold here, and I don't think Flyryde has ever tried to.



Isn't YOUR kit a knockoff? MPS clone front with GTR clone sides and rear?



Sure they can, just not the Vielside. Show me some others that would be illegal.

I'm putting an end to this.

The rule is stated, the reasons for it are stated. No further commentary is going to change that rule.

If you have evidence that a vendor here is trying to sell knockoff parts, please let us know via PM or the Report system.

Thank you.