2003 Tib:

Turbo Beta

N/A V6 with goodies

my friend is getting one and said get the 4 banger and use the extra money for the turbo kit, and it will be faster

 

Turbo will kick V6 NA's ass... even it's only 4 cylinders.

 

besides they say that the DELTA is weak for turbo OR n/a so go w/ d BETA

 

Yet how many people here in the U.S. have actually got a good, reliable setup going on a turbo beta so far? Not many. Everyone talks about how great the beta is for turbo power here but not many have managed to acheive it yet. UFB's kit may be the one, but so far all the previous wonder kits have failed to live up. I'm not saying don't do it, but it's not gonna be like going to pepboys and having them slap it on there. Plus you have instantly no warranty, and your out 4-5k at least for the turbo and install. You could probably count the fingers on one hand and have the total number of turbo betas in the United States. Just something to think about.

JustinL

 

thats exactly why i'll be getting a second tiburon, used, to go turbo with...not gonna have warranty anyway...and keep my warranty intact on my current tib...

and dont blame the lack of turbo quality on the engine...its jus that their focus has been to get the car up to 200 hp or less, because for that it's the least amount of work. Still, you can have a faster 4 cyl w/ turbo than the n/a v6 will be, and currently there are more aftermarket parts available for the beta.

The 3rd gen w/ the v6 will be a popular car, but the result will be that our 4 cyl's will get more available aftermarket. Especially when ppl find out for themselves that the beta engine is better suited for modifying.

But don't take MY word for it...

 

JustenL has a point.

At this point in time, there are about 10-20 installed alpine kits in the USA. Of which, I am the only one to have completed a dyno that I know of. We only know of about 3-5 of the members on this forum who have the kits, but I KNOW alpine has shipped more kits to the USA. http://turbochrgdtibbi.onlineshowoff.com is a prime example. He's has his Alpine kit for longer than I have. However, he doesn't hang out on any of the forums, so no-one knows his HP or if he's had a good experience, or lots of problems.

With luck, the Ballastics Racing kit will turn out to be a good kit, and produce decent HP.

Otherwise, we have 2, that right, 2 members who have built their own turbo setups. OnPol and Red. OnPol's first setup was good for 227 HP to the wheels @ 10 PSI on 100% Stock engine. He's now building up a "project motor" just like Red, going to a larger turbo...etc..etc..etc...

However...in the N/A camp, we don't have anyone with any significant power gains either. The only person to tackle N/A mods and bolt ons and do dynos was BatLord. As such, he only reached in the 120's to the wheels. Red did a similar buildup on his motor when it was N/A, however, his best dyno was 135...but his car was NOT running at it's peak when that 135 HP test was done.

So in reality, here in the USA, we really don't have ANY data that Turbo or N/A is better, as no one has taken EITHER to the extreme yet.

It sounds like HRD Tiburon is considering the N/A all out build up on a Beta, and Red is certianly going the All out Turbo buildup, but untill either is done...we just don't have any good data on either.

All of our "data" comes via Korea. In what the Korean tuners have done, and what they have managed to achieve, and the problems they have run into getting there. Some time ago, Cheuk posted a 598 Wheel HP beta Dyno (the motor was in an accent!) so we know it is possible, even if none of us have personally achieved it yet. Also..the highest Cheuk has seen the 2.7L Deta tuned was about 250 Wheel HP. He stated that after that, they start to have reliability problems with the block and crank.

So..to sum it up. To answer the question posted above...which has a higher potential, a Turbo Beta or a N/A Delta.

In THEORY, the beta has the higher HP potential, however, no one on this board has YET cracked the 250 Wheel HP mark...it is a moot point, until we reach over 250...the Delta would probably be the cheaper/easier route.

One last thing to consider....Most things for the V6 Delta are going to be more expensive. For example...Headers for the V6 delta are available in Korea. However, expect to spend about $1000 for them. They claim an 18 HP gain...but they are $1000. That makes the Beta "race" headers look dirt cheap!

 

Random,

I have no doubt in my mind that the beta can handle more. I just wanted to insert a little reality check that it hasn't been easily acheived here yet. I'm not massively into mods in some small part due to money availability so the v6 was perfect for me. I'll eventually do a cai and catback probably and that will be enough for me, it's allready quite fast compared to my '98. I have total respect for those of you that go all out, I just don't know what kind of drugs you're selling to have all the money to do it! And how you manage not to get caught! wink

later,
JustinL

 

Hey,

I think its kinna wierd that there are so many people interested in the new v6 tib. From the stats i have seen its actually 350lbs heavier and is actually just over 2 sec slower from 0-60 and just under 2 sec slower in the 1/4 mile as compared to the 2.0! What are your opinions on this, im pretty sure that these figures are correct. So as far as im concerned the only reason to buy the v6 is for the top end which is only like 15mph more, pretty worthless as far as im concerned. I think the shift to the v6 will prove to be a bad move and yeild poor results, as this shifts the tib away from the compact catagory towards midsized with the increased weight, worse gas mileage and such...!

 

Just to echo what others have said.

A Beta with a bandaid turbo will reach the 200-250 Wheel hp... MAX. With a real ECU, pistons and a large enough turbo... over 600 Wheel hp.

A Beta NA with serious cam and head work will easily break the 150 wheel hp mark... with quad throttle and a stand alone ECU 170-200 wheel hp has been seen.

There is no real good documentation or serious products for the V6... yet. I think that the Korean racing organizations in conjuction with Hyundai could form a 2.7 liter class... to inspire tuners to concentrate on this engine... but there isn't one... so it is neglected. The most additional power I have seen is a 75 hp dry shot of Nitrous. I have yet to see a twin turbo. Nor have I seen any NA V6's come close to the nitrous numbers.

 

i dont know about power, but i with the 80HP jets, i have just recently run up vs an integra gs-r 5 speed, with 4-2-1 headers and intake... suspension work.. needless to say, i left him in the dust with ease... 5 min later he called his friend with a v6 accord WITH HEADERS and cat-back /intake... suspension work.. and again, i easily defeated him...

this little beta motor sure can handle the spray.. i've already gone through 3 bottls on the 80 shot.. and it keeps begging for more.. just now i added a cone filter directly onto the MAF... i got it new at the autoparts for $25. i used a rubber hose from the regular 3 inch intake kits to adapt onto the MAF, to fit the 3 inch hole on the air filter with a clamp.

sounds incredible under WOT..

considering that i'm automatic and i have stock EVERYTHING on my car.. it should have a time slip of just over mid 14's by next month.

my old time slip with the 70 HP jetting and 875psi bottle pressure netted me 15.2 @ 93 mph.

if i had 950 psi bottle pressure, i KNOW i could have gone high 14's. now i have the NOS bottle heater, and i can turn the pressure up to where its meant to be... i know i can get near mid 14's on street tires with the stock exhaust and this crappy cone filter.

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i can almost be SURE that with 4-2-1 headers/catback and some tighter springs, i can easily run high 13's.

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