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Old 01-17-2011, 10:18 AM
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say the entire world lost internet service for a week. Not a single human being could access the internet, on their phones, computers, etc. Since the world population relies so much on the internet to conduct business and do all kinds of things as a way of life, how bad of an impact would it be if this actually ever happened?
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If it was just the internet going down for a week I think it would cause all sorts of market issues, but everything would work out. If we lost all computers (crazy EMP or something) for a week, people would die.
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Businesses rely on internet for communication. My company has barges on the inland waterways (rivers - not ocean). We communicate logistics with the locks and dams and where/when to pickup and deliver. All over the internet. Sure, boats and barges will still float without internet, but the communication is key.



Consider the millions of dollars we would lose in operational slowdown, multiplied by the people WAITING on the products to arrive, or the next customer waiting on their grain to be picked up and delivered to another destination. Or what about the Coal on the barges that can't be delivered to power plants to produce electricity? A large power plant may only hold 7-10 days worth of coal depending on the season and storage capabilities. If the barges can't deliver coal on the river, or are delayed in picking up / transporting / delivering because of communication problems with previous commitments, we're all in the dark.



Another one of our companies relies on sales/order information from large retailers such as Amazon, Borders, Barnes & Noble, etc... no internet means no Amazon orders and no communication from other major brick and mortar retailers. We don't have NEARLY enough employees to answer phone calls for thousands of Books-A-Million stores placing orders for books or magazines.



So, the markets would see a huge hit, but even a privately owned family conglomerate such as the one I work for would suffer millions of dollars lost because of it. Those millions seem as if they would grow exponentially across the country. And unless you have solar panels on your house like REDZMAN, you might not have electricity.
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Just saw this on ARS:

http://arstechnica.com/security/news...nna-happen.ars



A pure "cyberwar" is never going to happen. That's one conclusion of a major report on cybersecurity (PDF) from the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD). Authored by two UK professors, the report argues that Internet attacks and espionage will be key components of all future conflicts, but that the world is unlikely ever to see a cyberwar with "the characteristics of conventional war but fought exclusively in cyberspace."



The report lays out the argument:



The reasons are: many critical computer systems are protected against known exploits and malware so that designers of new cyberweapons have to identify new weaknesses and exploits; the effects of cyberattacks are difficult to predict—on the one hand they may be less powerful than hoped but may also have more extensive outcomes arising from the interconnectedness of systems, resulting in unwanted damage to perpetrators and their allies. More importantly, there is no strategic reason why any aggressor would limit themselves to only one class of weaponry.



Instead, cyberweapons like trojans, viruses, and denial of service attacks will "shortly become ubiquitous"; indeed, the apparent recent success of the Stuxnet virus at crippling Iran's nuclear enrichment program shows just how successful such attacks can be.



The report is part of OECD's "Future Global Shocks" series, in which thinkers from various disciplines assess whether events in their fields might become as damaging to the world as the recent financial crisis or a global pandemic. Single online events, such as a major DDoS attack, are unlikely to have such worldwide effects, but the combination of something like a botnet DDoS attack, a major EMP, and specific attacks on SCADA or other computer-controlled machinery, and some form of real-world "kinetic" attack might well shock the world.



"Contrary to much recent writing, single hazards and threats in the cyber domain will probably not propagate into a full-scale global shock," says the report. "However there are several plausible scenarios which if realised will have significant impact at the level of the nation state as well as causing long-term damage to businesses and individuals." Most likely among these is "cyberweaponry acting as a disrupter or force multiplier."



As for defending against such attacks, the report outlines a host of national and international strategies, but it makes clear the old Cold War doctrine "you won't attack us because you know we'll destroy you in return" doesn't work in today's online world; it's simply too difficult to know who is behind the most sophisticated attacks. Mere deterrence is therefore "unlikely to be effective."
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Egypt killed their internet service. Could it happen to the US too? Maybe...



http://www.cnn.com/2011/TECH/web/02/....html?npt=NP1#
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In the USA, it could not happen like that. If they shut down the internet, we would simply riot, and exclaim freedom of speech violations against our constitution. Then, when the government violates our constitutional rights, there is a clause in the constitution that we should overthrow the government... It's that simple.





On top of that, we have resources... If the internet was shut down here, we'd use phone lines. If that were shut down, we'd use Satellite. If that were shut down, we'd start using tunnels... I'd get internet access and allow dialup. I'd get as many people to donate their local phone lines as possible, or buy a few numbers myself and allow dialup access to my internet. Tunnelling is very powerful. You set up a server out-of-country like in Canada, or with it's own DNS server. then dial into that server and surf the internet from there.



You can't shut down the internet. It's impossible. The only way is to physically sever or disrupt every single channel and we dont have the resources to do that. If the resources were available to shut down the internet, we'd create another one. it's that fuckin' simple.



Seriously... The internet is a whole bunch of computer with individual IP addresses which are connected to transmission media. Without DNS servers (which they blocked to shut down communications), it's more difficult, but you can still connect via IP address. If someone were to start a new DNS server bank, then pass out the DNS server information, then the internet would be back up and running.



You can't keep USA off the internet, only hinder usage.
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Instead, cyberweapons like trojans, viruses, and denial of service attacks will "shortly become ubiquitous";


You might notice a trend on mobile devices.... You download an app, the app is assigned permissions by the user, the user is then assigned to the app. In this way, the app is in a sandbox and the user can delete the sandbox.



This is comming to desktop devices soon. There is no reason for Internet Explorer to have access to the same resources which the user has, when all it needs is access to the downloads, cache file and internet. Each app will effectively be it's own user and each user will be a nobody assigned to the application, as well as the application adminsitrator. In this way, the application's permissions are logged and there are controls in place.



Desktops and laptops are no longer multi-user systems in general. There is no reason to maintain a a user access control list when an app can handle it's own encryption and decryption based upon the user who is accessing it. In this way, one user can install an app, it is available to all, and each app maintains it's own access control list with the resources and permissions it has been approved. This allows for easy auditing of resources consumed by each app.



Soon, the days of botnets, rootkits, viruses and trojans will be gone because of revelations of the mobile computing industry.




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