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Old Aug 30, 2016 | 07:03 AM
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Hear me now? 'Strong signal' from sun-like star sparks alien speculation



Astronomers engaged in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence (SETI) are training their instruments on a star around 94 light years from Earth after a very strong signal was detected by a Russian telescope.



An international team of researchers is now examining the radio signal and its star, HD 164595 -- described in a paper by Italian astronomer Claudio Maccone and others as a "strong candidate for SETI" -- in the hopes of determining its origin.



"The signal from HD 164595 is intriguing, because it comes from the vicinity of a sun-like star, and if it's artificial, its strength is great enough that it was clearly made by a civilization with capabilities beyond those of humankind," astronomer Douglas Vakoch, president of METI International, which searches for life beyond Earth, tells CNN.



Whenever a strong signal is detected, "it's a good possibility for some nearby civilization to be detected," Maccone tells CNN.



Advanced civilization?

Paul Gilster of the Tau Zero Foundation, which conducts interstellar research, said that if the signal was artificial, its strength suggested it would have to come from a civilization more advanced than our own.



Such a civilization would likely be Type II on the Kardashev scale, an attempt by the Soviet astronomer of the same name to categorize various technological stages of civilizations.



"The Kardashev scale is based basically on the energy that that civilization might be able to funnel for its own use," says Maccone.



At present, our own species is somewhere near Type I on the scale, whereby a civilization is able to harness all the energy available to it on its own planet, including solar, wind, earthquakes, and other fuels.



A Type II civilization would be able to harness the entirety of the energy emitted by its star, billions of billions of watts.



Doing so would require a colossal undertaking, likely the construction of some kind of superstructure, such as a giant sphere or swarm of super-advanced solar panels popularized by astronomer Freeman Dyson that could catch and store all radiation put out by the sun.



Scientists believe superstructures are probably our best chance of detecting alien life unless they are actively trying to communicate with us.



A Dyson sphere was one of the solutions suggested to the peculiar light fluctuations detected around Tabby's Star, which caused great excitement when they were detected last year.



Maccone is working on developing an alternative mathematical measure of how advanced civilizations are, based on the amount of knowledge and information available to them, that "might help us in the future classify alien civilizations" that we detect.



What's happening at HD 164595?

In a statement, Seth Shostak, a senior astronomer with the SETI Institute, said that "it's hard to understand why anyone would want to target our solar system with a strong signal."



"This star system is so far away they won't have yet picked up on any TV or radar that would tell them that we're here," he added.



METI International will be observing the star from the Boquete Optical SETI Observatory in Panama, Vakoch says, "searching for any brief laser pulses that might be sent as a beacon from advanced extraterrestrials."



He stressed the importance of all of the SETI community following up on a signal detected by any single member.



"Without corroboration from an independent observatory, a putative signal from extraterrestrials doesn't have a lot of credibility."



The SETI Institute is also examining HD 164595, using the Allen Telescope Array in California.



So far, the team has not found any signals to match those originally detected by the Russian telescope, but Shostak notes that "we have not yet covered the full range of frequencies in which the signal could be located."



"A detection, of course, would immediately spur the SETI and radio astronomy communities to do more follow-up observations."



According to Vakoch, "if this were really a signal from extraterrestrials, we'd want to survey the target star across as much of the electromagnetic spectrum as we could."



So is it aliens?

Probably not, says Vakoch, pointing to potential technological interference or amplification through gravitational lensing, where a signal behind a planet or other large object appears to be far stronger than it actually is, as potential causes.



Maccone says gravitational lensing is "an important possibility that should be taken into account for future SETI research."



"We should learn how to discriminate that against real extraterrestrial signals," he added.



Vakoch says "the greatest limitation of the May 2015 signal is that it hasn't been replicated. Before we can give any credence to a signal as coming from extraterrestrials, we need to see it repeatedly to make sure it wasn't just a transient phenomenon."



"It deserves at least a few hours of observing time by SETI researchers at other locations to make sure we don't miss an opportunity to make first contact, however remote."



If it does prove to be transient and unexplained, HD 164595 could become another "Wow! signal," frustratingly tantalizing and mysterious in equal measures.



Shostak writes that "of course (it's) possible" the signal could be from an extraterrestrial civilization, but without confirmation, "we can only say that it's 'interesting'."


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Old Aug 30, 2016 | 10:38 AM
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It's interesting, but highly unlikely that a civilization would broadcast a beacon of that intensity to attract attention to itself even if capable of doing so. It'll be cool if I'm wrong and it repeats.
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I have seen UFO's before. Right above my skylight roght here in D.C.! There were 5 basketball-sized orbs dancing around each other. I'm not crazy either.



...ok a little crazy but this is not made up.
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Originally Posted by HyundaiKitCoupe
I have seen UFO's before. Right above my skylight roght here in D.C.! There were 5 basketball-sized orbs dancing around each other. I'm not crazy either.



...ok a little crazy but this is not made up.




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Old Aug 31, 2016 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by HyundaiKitCoupe
I have seen UFO's before. Right above my skylight roght here in D.C.! There were 5 basketball-sized orbs dancing around each other. I'm not crazy either.



...ok a little crazy but this is not made up.
I have seen UFOs before also. I'm pretty sure most of what I've seen was actually military craft since a few times what I saw was in line with technologies that were later declassified or leaked. Definitely a few still defying explanation though.
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Hahaha Josh. Funny. Verrrrry funny. I tell you they're real, whatever they are. I mean, it could have been a Holy apparition, some sign from God butit was definitely unearthly.



I wanted to make a thread about it but I don't want it out online. I was 12 and now I'm 31 and I still to this day can't explain what I saw and would love some answers, some closure. But I remember it in great detail. Even the time. Place. Everything. And it wasn't s dream (even pinched myself to check).



There's a military anti-missile testing facility in that area but these things defied gravity and one of them came right down to me. The whole skylight and the surrounding trees were completely bound in brightness. They were immensely bright orbs, white inside, then yellow, then orange on the outside. No sound. No smoke. No clouds. Winter. No bugs. Midnight.
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Sounds like an interesting experience. Hit me up if you want to trade stories.
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Me and my pops saw something very, very similar in AZ. Orbs, no sound, and would definitely be audible because where they were, private aircraft were flying 30 minutes prior and they were very audible. They also moved as if defying modern aviation. Way too fast and changing direction haphazardly. Not aware of anything that can move like that. UFOs for sure, alien, who knows.
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My brother works with classified drones. There are no aliens.
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Old Sep 9, 2016 | 09:57 AM
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Yeah I am of the same opinion. Some of the things I've heard from people in the field perfectly explain most of the experiences I've had and most of the ones I've heard about from others.



Since at the latest the early 90's it was possible to make damn near anything completely silent.
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