<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (faithofadragon @ Jul 18 2006, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yup and they said red light cameras were only to issue warnings</div>

That was during the testing for the first month. It was announced all over when the system was going live.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and that they were gonna keep them on montgomery</div>

They did. It worked so well that the program expanded, like it should. Don't run red lights. It's pretty easy NOT to.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>also it doesnt matter who is driving the car the ticket goes to whoever the car is registered to</div>

Correct, it goes to that address, but as I said...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Also, if you get a Red Light Camera ticket, even here in Albuquerque (The ACLU sued the ABQ Government about it), you can easily get out of it, you just prove that it's not you in the car. If the picture doesn't show YOU, or you can't be seen in it, ticket dismissed.</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>also i had a judge tell me once that "ignorance doesnt exclude you from the law" so if you install bigger tires you should know better</div>

And you should know better. Most folks don't. That's why you let the judge know that "After I got my citation I've done some research and found out that changing the size of my tires has thrown off my calibration of my speedometer and I've now fixed that your honor." Or you could always do as I did and bring in the refrences to the speedometer accuracies listed on HMA.com to the judge and calculations for how far off that put your speedometer at the time you were pulled over.

Learn how to talk in an educated manner to a Judge, and they'll respect your work on the issue MOST of the time and lower the fine.

Or just <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">DON'T SPEED.</span>


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>yup i believe they are gonna just keep them in school zones...</div>

Ehh, I said something about that, read the post before you reply, the WHOLE post.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (REDZMAN @ Jul 18 2006, 12:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This one here is about the vans. You'll have to cut and paste it as the URL function keeps screwing up the link.

www.krqe.com/expanded.asp?RECORD_KEY[News]=ID&ID%5BNews%5D=16269

<span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">I see what you are talking about now though, the 2 new vans are for neighborhood use, but read this...
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That program was started to keep OFFICERS busy doing more important things than monitoring the school zones. It's been very successful, so of course it's going to be expanded also.

Easy solution here. <span style="font-size:36pt;line-height:100%">DON'T SPEED.</span>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sjl01 @ Jul 18 2006, 12:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i know what your saying Redz, but if youre doing 60 then you see a 40 sign on the approach to the bend surely they dont expect us to hit the brakes that hard so that when you see the sign you suddenly think shit i'm over the limit and slam on the brakes, if sayes 60 at one piont and further on theres a 40 sign between the two signs is 60, so basicly as soon as we hit the 40 sign we are to do 40 , i dont like braking that hard on bends espiecally when you've got a tailgaitor.</div>

No, you are expected to drive and watch the signs. When you see the sign coming up that the speed limit is dropping, you SLOW DOWN. 60 to 40 is very easy to do, you can even downshift it and it's taken care of. You should know the roads you are driving some anyways, and drive accordingly. If you are new to an area, you should be even MORE cautious and observant of the signs and warnings. I don't know about the UK, but in the US, the warning and speed limit signs are placed at proper intervals to give you appropriate time to slow down to the new speed limit, assuming you were going the OLD speed limit or slower. If you have to SLAM on your breaks to slow down, you are going too fast.

 

over here you have to state who was driving the car and then the fine goes against there lisence not just to where the car is registered to, we have some people over here who you can pay to say they were driving the car at the time so they get the penalty pionts instead of you so less chance of you loosing your lisence if you are at the limit of your points, they charge alot more compared to the fine but if it saves you your lisence, not recomended though because if you get caught doing this they will f*** you over in a big way.i persanally woudnt risk this but some do at there own risk.

 

Hahahahah!!!

That is hillarious man, really, that was good.


Yeah, over here, you just have to prove it wasn't you. It's easy to do if you wanted to. But its easier not to speed.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (faithofadragon @ Jul 18 2006, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>first it started out with stop light cameras that take a pic of your plate if you blow a light
which <span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">i dont mind at all im glad those are there</span> it just feels like a HUGE entrapment thing</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (faithofadragon @ Jul 18 2006, 03:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%">now im not condoning speeding hell i rarely do it anymore myself</span></div>

reading owns


im sorry but personally laws are put there to protect both parties

the people and the government

now

when the government finds loopholes around the laws they placed i dont care what its for somethin needs to be changed

now we let them do this whats next we get undercover ununiformed police men pulling people over hell what cop in the world would pull you over going 1 mph over? if he tickets you for that he is just being a ass and wastin your time probably every judge would throw that out

now there really isnt a judge to talk about you get a letter in the mail and thats that if you dont pay you get a warrant and go to jail for goin 1mph over and your lookin at a MINIMUM court costs of about 200 bux
100 for the warrant
100 for court costs

PLUS youll need a lawyer

now if you got pulled over by a cop youd know if you have a court date

laws are placed for a reason i know this im not 12 and im not gonna b**** about speeding tickets why? cuz its my own damn fault

 

the thing over here is not all the signs are visable untill your right on top of them, things like over grown trees and bushes block them from view, there is a speed camera not far from my house which you can only just see because of overgrown bushes, i agree with what you say Redz , dont get me wrong, its just that its not always as straight forward as things should be.

 

I was once stopped in the US; it was around year 1999; I was visiting Watkins Glen (for a race in their circuit; it was a WSC race) and I came to New YOrk airport late in the afternoon, had to drive a looooong way to get to Watkins Glen and when I was traveling at 2am thtrough a small road with no intersections in which the speed limit changed constantly from 40mph to 30mph, so I was like doing 35mph on a 30mph zone, but I had not seen any sign at all and I thought I was in a 40mph when suddenly, out of nowhere I felt like a UFO had landed behind me... it was the patrol car.
I stopped, lowered the window, let my hands on the wheel to be seen, and then a GORGEOUS female police officer asked me for my papers and told me I was speeding. I said "oh, I didn't notice, I thought this was a 40mph zone" and she replayed "Yeah, I know, it happens a lot around here; I followed you for a while and you were not driving wreckless nor anything, so you can just go, but please pay a lot of attention to the signs"
I must admit I was not worried about a ticket, this lady was so beautiful I could onle stare at her...

Well, That's how I would expect a police officer to behave... firm but with criteria on how to apply the law.

Also, I agree that you MUST NOT SPEED, but a ticket over 1mph is a little ridicoulos, what if THEIR radar decalibrates and begins to issue tickets for just 1mph? It's too tight to apply that everywhere. Maybe you can suggest them to apply a "0" tolerance MPH ticket policy near schools and a more reasonable policy on other areas... like 3~5 MPH policy, so IF you are doing 46MPH on a 40MPH zone, you have NO EXCUSE.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (faithofadragon @ Jul 18 2006, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>reading owns</div>

:Yeah, it does, I'm glad you finally learned how to. I didn't say you condoned speeding or were against anything I said, I just proved the point and how it's not entrapment.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>im sorry but personally laws are put there to protect both parties

the people and the government</div>

Your point?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>when the government finds loopholes around the laws they placed i dont care what its for somethin needs to be changed</div>

What loophole are you talking about? The way I see it, they are using the system they are given to fix a HUGE problem in New Mexico.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>now we let them do this whats next we get undercover ununiformed police men pulling people over hell what cop in the world would pull you over going 1 mph over?</div>

Undercover cops wouldn't pull you over. Ever. They are under cover. Duh. A police officer can pull you over off duty if they are in a official car for doing something illegal. Same reason they are allowed to carry their sidearms with them.

As for pulling you over for going 1mph over, it's legal. It's OVER the posted limit. Hence ILLEGAL. Does it happen very often? No. But yeah, it does happen. Ogden Kansas, 1/4 mile long, speed limit drops from 55 to 30 to 65 on the other side, they pull you over for anything at all over the limit. It's legal. Corralles NM, exact same thing. Go prove your side in court.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>if he tickets you for that he is just being a ass and wastin your time probably every judge would throw that out</div>

Depends on the judge, again, Corralles, go there and speed, the judge will get your ass regardless.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>now there really isnt a judge to talk about you get a letter in the mail and thats that if you dont pay you get a warrant and go to jail for goin 1mph over</div>

Huh? Please follow the forum rules and post in clear and concise english, you are a moderator here, enforce the rules and follow them yourself mang. It's getting hard as hell to make out what the hell you are saying.

Yes, you can contest any ticket or any fine, you go to the courthouse and talk to the clerk. It's easy, and you would be the only person I've met so far that didn't know that. You don't get a WARRANT for breaking the speedlimit. You DO get a warrant if you don't pay your fines or otherwise see the court about it if you want to object to it.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>and your lookin at a MINIMUM court costs of about 200 bux
100 for the warrant
100 for court costs</div>

Again, you are wrong.
http://www.cabq.gov/police/trafficci...iolations.html


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>PLUS youll need a lawyer</div>

Uhm, no. You do not need a lawyer to contest a speeding ticket.


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (sjl01 @ Jul 18 2006, 01:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>the thing over here is not all the signs are visable untill your right on top of them, things like over grown trees and bushes block them from view, there is a speed camera not far from my house which you can only just see because of overgrown bushes, i agree with what you say Redz , dont get me wrong, its just that its not always as straight forward as things should be.</div>

I get you, but this is also easily handled, you just take pictures of where they are and that they are obstructed. That gets you out of tickets here, and should be brought up to the police so they can get it fixed.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Zman @ Jul 18 2006, 01:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Also, I agree that you MUST NOT SPEED, but a ticket over 1mph is a little ridicoulos, what if THEIR radar decalibrates and begins to issue tickets for just 1mph? It's too tight to apply that everywhere. Maybe you can suggest them to apply a "0" tolerance MPH ticket policy near schools and a more reasonable policy on other areas... like 3~5 MPH policy, so IF you are doing 46MPH on a 40MPH zone, you have NO EXCUSE.</div>

Good point, radar calibration is also a valid argument, and is used A LOT. The issue is most folks that are speeding just go pay their tickets, never even fight the case if it's there to fight. If you want to fight one, it's easy to do so and you can often get reduced or dismissed fees.

There is TOLLERANCE in all police offices, and in different areas, that's for sure, in general, they are put there because speedometers are only SO accurate. BUT, if you look at our accuracies, you'll see they are MOST accurate at lower speeds. Since speed limits in school zones are usually about 10MPH to 15 MPH, it's VERY easy to stay at that speed or lower. I think it's important to also note that these articles say they "CAN" ticket you for 1MPH over, but realisticly, it rarely happens.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (REDZMAN @ Jul 18 2006, 08:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What loophole are you talking about? The way I see it, they are using the system they are given to fix a HUGE problem in New Mexico.</div>

the way i see it the biggest problem we have in new mexico is drunk driving
which has almost the same exact sentence as street racing and somethin like 2% of traffic deaths in new mexico are due to street racing

and yet they get a 1 year autolock "probation" and minimal jail time

in chicago(could have changed as i havent lived theyre in almost 10 years) you got a manditory 90 days in jail and your car impounded permanently

drive drunk in new mexico you pay a fine serve a month tops and get a years probation from drinkin again(which drunks have found a loophole...get someone else like your kids to blow for you!!!)

friggin awesome...you get more money from speeders though so hey whatever works for them

the other day the traffic light on montgomery and wyoming malfunctioned i myself saw every car that passed the intersection gettin photos taken

whos to say it wont do the same with the vans?

 

Because of common sence. The photos are labeled with the time and date, to the second, and they check and see what color the light was at the time of the photo. It's very simple to do. There are also computer routines built in to recognize problems, like 23 red light runs in a row, to alert of problems.

Also, usually if there is any question to validity when they review the pictures, it's thrown out. Read the links I put up, you'll see that there was 9,000 violations photographed in the first 14 months, but only something like 6,000 citations issued.

As for the vans, the same thing. If the picture is obscured or not clear, they can't "work" the image, it gets thrown out.

 

Soon itll be chips in our cars that use GPS to track your speed and instantly print out a ticket for going over the speed limit .000001mph, hey its over aint it? Then people will be forced to drive 5mph over the speed limit to prevent getting a ticket. And nobody will speed, ever.

Which is exactly why the government wont institute this policy, they <u>dont</u> want people to stop speeding. They cant make any money if nobody speeds. They want to charge you for something that everybody, including themselves, do. By doing this they are enforcing a pseudo tax that can be argued by saying, "hey, you shouldht have been speeding, your fault not ours."

Also this policy wouldnt be instituted because they couldnt hold themselves "above" it. Cops, senators, mayors, etc would now be getting tickets, and they dont want that.
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GOVERNMENT AGENT. more specifically, a Navy officer, comes to pick my friend up frequently, who is going into the Navy. When that guy drives on the highway he does 120mph on average, no exaggeration, i can get you the guy to confirm this. My friend asked him "dont they pull you over?" He said "sometimes, but then they see the ID sticker, and then walks away."

This is not an isolated occassion, it happens all the time. They are breaking the laws they are creating, but getting it away with it, if there was no getting out of any type of ticket, meaning no matter who you are you get pulled you get a ticket, these laws would be moving toward more leniant restrictions and lesser penalties, but the people who make the laws arent going to punish themselves.

The stop lights i understand, running a stop sign is crazy stupid. But everybody speeds, everybody. Not crazy speeds, maybe 1-5mph over, but nonetheless everyone does it.