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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 06:51 PM
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Okay, I have a bit of an update and a few new questions guys.

I still want to get the 57c 16's and the kdw 2's, but I was wondering if I could fit 16x8's and a 225/45/16 tire? That is a setup I would LOVE. The offsets available for the 16x8 are +30 and +38 so I was thinking of doing the +30 in the rear to bring the wheels out a little farther toward the fender (there is like an easy 1.5" of space between the edge of the tire and the fender now so it should be fine with an additional 10mm of width). In the front I would do the +38mm to keep it only 2mm farther toward the fenders than stock. Hopefully I wouldn't rub up front around corners, but if I did I would be willing to raise the car up about an inch or sol.

So what do you guys think? Am I crazy?! LOL. That is what the car will be if I get these to work, lol. Imagine the increase in handling though tongue.gif .

As I stated earlier, I have the Kspork coilovers so interference with the fenders is really my only concern.

I will more than likely get the 225's instead of the 205's regardless of the wheel width because of the extra tread contact, but if I get those with a 7" wide rim, they will be a tad bit wide, likely resulting in additional tire roll. With an 8" wide wheel though, it would be PERFECT.

Please give me any inputs you may have, thanks in advance. smile.gif
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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 08:34 PM
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i am almost positive you would rub but please give it a try. ive never seen it pushed that much and it would be awesome if you were able to do it without any rubbing at all.
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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 08:58 PM
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Thanks man,

Holy shyt, talk about how sick it would be man! People would be like WTF? Its a Hyundai?? LOL lmao.gif .

I can only imagine how insane the handling would be with all of my suspension modifications cool.gif .

I think I am going to say fvck it and just go all out and get them, worst comes to worse, I have to raise the ride height a bit to prevent rubbing, but I don't care, someone has to be the guinea pig ya know?

I am so excited to see how it looks!!!

BUT, please tell me what the stock offset is SOMEONE!!

I am basing all of my offset and wheel size selections on the fact that the stock offset is +40mm soo.

Also, could you please confirm for me that the lower the offset #, the farther away from the hub the wheel will be (closer to the fender or outside of the car). And do you think I would be safe with the +30 in the rear? I will have to take some measurements to make sure, but I would be willing to get the fenders rolled to make it work (have to find a shop that does it, lol).

But hell, a waaaay better tire (running the dunlop fm901 195/55/15's now) and an extra 30mm of tread width/contact with the road per tire!!! Not to mention some light ass wheels. I am soo excited! LOL. smile.gif
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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 09:23 PM
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stock offset = +42mm, I knew this but i wanted to see how hard it was to find, I searched "stock offset" and it was the first thread. Searching ownz joo.

Also a lower number offset will make the rim and tire closer to the outside of the wheel well, but thats not the definition of offset, the offset is the difference between the hub mounting surface and the centerline of the wheel, google search "offset wheel"

try to get an 7.5-8.0" wheel if you really want to go 225.

this is OT but my friend just put rims on his mustang, 18 X 10.5 in the back and 18X9.5 in the front, 275/35/R18 in the rear 245/35/18 in the front

DEM'S SOME BIG WHEELS/TIRES lol.
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Old Aug 6, 2006 | 09:34 PM
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^^^Yeah alex, I know what offset is, LOL. Thanks though.

Mmmm, +42 is making me wonder.

I REALLY think it will rub now, I believe the stock wheel width is 6.5"??

So, if the additional 1.5" of wheel width is spread across each side of the wheel (meaning the wheel will stick out an extra .75" on each side), then the additional 4mm up front that it will be sticking out toward the fender might be over the top.

I also need to make some measurements for the rear so I can decide if I want to go +30 or 38.

I REALLY want to make this work though, it is just too cool not to do. Even if it takes work, it will be worth it in the end.

Come to think of it, maybe it is better to offset it farther toward the outside of the car just to make SURE I have clearance from the strut body. I can always work with the fender material, but I cant budge the strut, lol.

Thanks for the input guys, I really do appreciate it. smile.gif
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 03:24 PM
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i doubt you will have problems with clearance to the strut body(as long as you dont go too extreme). the ksports are pretty thin.

also,

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/...jsp?techid=101
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 05:51 PM
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I'm pretty sure if you went with a 8" wide wheel with a +38 offset you should be sitting ok. +30 I believe is going to push your wheels wayyy out. Since stock is +42 with a 6.5" wide wheel it sits in pretty far in the back.

Your probably looking at doing staggered wheels. I'm not sure if you can even sport 8" wheels in the front without rubbing the inside of the wheelwell when you make a turn. But I run 7" wide wheels so I dunno.

Someone correct me if I'm looking at this wrong but:
Look at the numbers this way:

6.5" = 165.4 mm
7.0" = 177.8 mm = 12.7 mm larger than stock
7.5" = 190.5 mm = 25.1 mm larger than stock
8.0" = 203.2 mm = 38.1 mm larger than stock

Stock Offset = 42 mm
Common 17x7 offset = 40 mm

So a Stock rim with a 165.4 mm midpoint is 82.7mm, with a +42mm offset makes it sit with the following:
Rear Spacing = 124.7mm Front Space = 40.7mm (on the outside of the wheelwell, the side you see)

Most people go to a 17x7 Rim +40 Offset, it's numbers are:
Rear Spacing = 128.9 mm Front Space = 48.9 mm
That pushes the outside out by 8.9mm or .325 inches

17x7.5 is also used:
+30 Offset: Rear Spacing = 125.25 mm Front Space = 65.25 (2.57")
That pushes it out by 24.55mm or .97 inches

+35 Offset: Rear Spacing = 130.25 mm Front Space = 60.25 (2.37")
That pushes it out by 19.55mm or .77 inches

If you use a 8 Inch rim:
+38 Offset: Rear Spacing = 139.60 mm Front Space = 63.60 (2.50")
That pushes it out by 22.9mm or .90 Inches

+30 Offset: Rear Spacing = 131.60 mm Front Space = 71.60 (2.82")
That pushes it out by 30.9mm or 1.22 Inches

If you want really DEEP dish rims, I would almost suggest doing a +25 offset:
+25 Offset: Rear Spacing = 126.6 mm Front Space = 76.60 (3.02")
That pushes it out by 35.9mm or 1.41 Inches

One of the biggest things I would worry about would be clearing the INSIDE of your wheelwell, cause if you use something like a +38 Offset with an 8" Rim, your talking about having a rear spacing of 139.6mm which is 15.1mm Deeper than Stock rims... at that point I think your going to rub the inside of the wheel well.

Looking at all this, for the Rears, you should be ok with an 8" Wide rim, with a +25 or +30 Offset. However, your going to need Staggered rims, meaning like 7.5" or 7" Rims in the front. Your Rears will be wider than the front, so you'll look like your a Rear wheel drive car. I would stay within the +35 or +40 that most of us do for the fronts, with a 7" or 7.5" Rim. I wouldn't recommend doing an 8" Rim in the front due to rubbing on the inside. And if you get to to where you won't rub on the inside, your going to rub the outside fenders easily.
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 06:03 PM
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^^yeah your probably right. Thanks for all the GREAT info man!

Thanks also to tibby01 for the link.

I am contemplating just getting the damn 16x7's with the 205's like I was originally planning.

Having a wider rear wheel is just GAY on an FF. I already have enough understeer, so a wider rear tire will only make things worse.

I will definately do the same width and tires all around, was just thinking of different offsets.
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 06:19 PM
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You will love the tires. They are sticky as hell. I have yet to understeer with them and I try (the Cape is notorious for it's rotaries). As for noise, my yoko's were much louder, but then again they were 40's and the kdw's are 50's. In all honesty, between my exhaust and stereo system, you couldn't hear them even if your head was right next to them while drive 90mph.
I like the rims, but not sure how I'd like them on a silver tib.
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Old Aug 7, 2006 | 07:18 PM
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you understeer?

lol

my car is pretty balanced, but i would have to say it has a tendency to oversteer sometimes. do you have sway bars?
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