Confused on tire logic
11-30-2004, 03:56 PM
#11
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 835
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which Kit Would Look Best? (BIG 56k'er Warning)
What about 18's?
I have noticed that 18's don't get mentioned much here. My friend has some 18's on his Talon and I think they are HOT. If the Talon didn't have a 5-lug pattern I would have threw them on my car for a couple of shows.
Anyway, using the tire calculator, It shows that an 18 with a 215/30/18 is the exact same size as our stock set up.
What are your opinions on this? I understand that the ride will deteriorate, but as little as I think it will it may be worth it to me. I ride in my friends Talon almost everyday and he is on 18's with some crapy knock off coilovers.
I have noticed that 18's don't get mentioned much here. My friend has some 18's on his Talon and I think they are HOT. If the Talon didn't have a 5-lug pattern I would have threw them on my car for a couple of shows.
Anyway, using the tire calculator, It shows that an 18 with a 215/30/18 is the exact same size as our stock set up.
What are your opinions on this? I understand that the ride will deteriorate, but as little as I think it will it may be worth it to me. I ride in my friends Talon almost everyday and he is on 18's with some crapy knock off coilovers.
11-30-2004, 06:15 PM
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Los Lunas, New Mexico, USA.
Posts: 34,642
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Vehicle: 2001 Hyundai Tiburon, 2004 Kia Sorento, 2010 Kia Soul
Re: Official Member Listing of Crooked H
Well, 18's don't ever get brought up because we hit folks so hard for going with 17's.
Most of us are performance AND looks oriented, so we go for lighter weight rims, that look good.
Simple.
17's give a rough ride, imagine 18's. Ugh.
17's are way heavier than 16's, imagine 18's. Yuck.
Bloodlust, I got your PM and will answre it here.
It's easy man, while 17's may have less rotations at the tire, you run into a few simple problems.
Get a set of 17's, and the exact same rims but in 16's. the 16's will be lighter. For example, my rims in 17's weigh 15 LBS a piece. In 16's, they weigh 15.9 LBS. That's pretty light. However, the 16's only weigh 13.6 pounds. That's 2.3 pounds heavier, JUST FOR THE WHEEL. Now, times 2, that's 4.6 extra pounds the engine has to try to spin. Then times 2 more, thats 9.2 pounds total in rims I saved. You can do the same math for tires.
When we are trying to save a pound or 2 on pulleys, why not on wheels?
Next fact....
While yes, you can put thin ass tires on 17's or 18's and keep the same diameter as your 16's or stockies, you still run into the problem of weight, then RIDE QUALITY. With no sidewall to flex, you will damage your rims. With no sidewall to flex, you will bump all OVER the place.
Easiest way to do it? Borrow some rims.
Most of us are performance AND looks oriented, so we go for lighter weight rims, that look good.
Simple.
17's give a rough ride, imagine 18's. Ugh.
17's are way heavier than 16's, imagine 18's. Yuck.
Bloodlust, I got your PM and will answre it here.
It's easy man, while 17's may have less rotations at the tire, you run into a few simple problems.
Get a set of 17's, and the exact same rims but in 16's. the 16's will be lighter. For example, my rims in 17's weigh 15 LBS a piece. In 16's, they weigh 15.9 LBS. That's pretty light. However, the 16's only weigh 13.6 pounds. That's 2.3 pounds heavier, JUST FOR THE WHEEL. Now, times 2, that's 4.6 extra pounds the engine has to try to spin. Then times 2 more, thats 9.2 pounds total in rims I saved. You can do the same math for tires.
When we are trying to save a pound or 2 on pulleys, why not on wheels?
Next fact....
While yes, you can put thin ass tires on 17's or 18's and keep the same diameter as your 16's or stockies, you still run into the problem of weight, then RIDE QUALITY. With no sidewall to flex, you will damage your rims. With no sidewall to flex, you will bump all OVER the place.
Easiest way to do it? Borrow some rims.
11-30-2004, 06:23 PM
#13
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 1,632
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Which Kit Would Look Best? (BIG 56k'er Warning)
aww dont listen to all that... haha.... i've got 17's and i like em. yes the ride is quite a bit rougher but for the looks it is well worth it.
11-30-2004, 07:06 PM
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Eau Claire, WI
Posts: 5,155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Vehicle: 97 Tib
Re: Confused on tire logic
people have discussed the topic of 17" rims sooo many times.
http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?name=Fo...iewtopic&t=1388
http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?name=Fo...iewtopic&t=1388
11-30-2004, 07:46 PM
#17
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: SOUTH Jersey
Posts: 9,041
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: 315cc injectors
if I was into show.. I would 18s JUST for the shows. They would look hot on the carpet.. but that is the only place I would use them...
NOW.. if you know somebody who can calibrate your speedo and you do not mind a slower take off... you can run 18s with more sidewall... but the whole assembly will be larger than stock and will really cut into your acceleration.. but will probably give you back on the top end.
Something else about heavy rims.. we are not talking static weight either.. this is ROTATIONAL weight.. the worst kind. Not only does the dead weight of it slow down the reaction of the suspension (wheels are considered unsprung weight) but in rotating all the weight you set up a gyroscopic effect that actually works against handling by making the wheel assembies fight against turning.
NOW.. if you know somebody who can calibrate your speedo and you do not mind a slower take off... you can run 18s with more sidewall... but the whole assembly will be larger than stock and will really cut into your acceleration.. but will probably give you back on the top end.
Something else about heavy rims.. we are not talking static weight either.. this is ROTATIONAL weight.. the worst kind. Not only does the dead weight of it slow down the reaction of the suspension (wheels are considered unsprung weight) but in rotating all the weight you set up a gyroscopic effect that actually works against handling by making the wheel assembies fight against turning.
11-30-2004, 07:46 PM
#18
Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 31
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Re: Confused on tire logic
I gotcha thx a lot REDZ.
So in that pic that you have those are 16s?
I think i might keep the Mach 10s in 17" but in terms of tires i think im going to drop from 215/40x17 down to the 205/40x17. I understand the significance now in terms of weight. But ill be doing things others probably wont for even greater weight reduction ( taking my back seats out ) so if later on im still looking for more power when the projects almost finished i guess ill juz drop down to 16s laugh.gif
Thx again REDZ
So in that pic that you have those are 16s?
I think i might keep the Mach 10s in 17" but in terms of tires i think im going to drop from 215/40x17 down to the 205/40x17. I understand the significance now in terms of weight. But ill be doing things others probably wont for even greater weight reduction ( taking my back seats out ) so if later on im still looking for more power when the projects almost finished i guess ill juz drop down to 16s laugh.gif
Thx again REDZ
11-30-2004, 07:50 PM
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Eau Claire, WI
Posts: 5,155
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Vehicle: 97 Tib
Re: Custom RDTiburon Badges, VOTE HERE!
if you're THAT concerned about 9lbs, just go on a diet :-D
that way when you're riding in it, your fat ass will weigh it down less smile.gif
lol, just messin bro, seriously though, 9lbs is really not that much..unless you can reduce like 35+ i don't think there is a difference.
that way when you're riding in it, your fat ass will weigh it down less smile.gif
lol, just messin bro, seriously though, 9lbs is really not that much..unless you can reduce like 35+ i don't think there is a difference.