Help me decide turbo or not... T
09-13-2004, 01:25 AM
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Re: GB:Garrett T-25 Turbos
Hi Tim,
I wanted to ask a few things about turbos, some specifically regarding the T25 you are offering on the GB. I have a 1997 Coupe (not Revision A) Southamerican version; we have MAP (instead of MAF) and we don't have to comply with emissions tests... at least yet; cars here don't use Cats and we don't have O2 sensors either...
1) The Basics for a Turbo Kit with max. 7 psi boost would be...?
- Exhaust Manifold
- Turbo
- Down Pipe
- Piping
2) Can you stick to the stock injectors? (maybe just upgrading the fuel pump?)
3) If you just upgrade the fuel pump can you be safe without an ECU modification?
I am assuming as we don't have O2 sensors at all, that our ECU's are "blind" and don't try to reduce fuel when engine is running rich (how would it realize it's reach without an O2 sensor?) thus I woudn't need an FMU... (even if I did, the one prepared for the US market wont do any good for me).
Sorry for the long post, anybody is welcome to illustrate me... thanks!
I wanted to ask a few things about turbos, some specifically regarding the T25 you are offering on the GB. I have a 1997 Coupe (not Revision A) Southamerican version; we have MAP (instead of MAF) and we don't have to comply with emissions tests... at least yet; cars here don't use Cats and we don't have O2 sensors either...
1) The Basics for a Turbo Kit with max. 7 psi boost would be...?
- Exhaust Manifold
- Turbo
- Down Pipe
- Piping
2) Can you stick to the stock injectors? (maybe just upgrading the fuel pump?)
3) If you just upgrade the fuel pump can you be safe without an ECU modification?
I am assuming as we don't have O2 sensors at all, that our ECU's are "blind" and don't try to reduce fuel when engine is running rich (how would it realize it's reach without an O2 sensor?) thus I woudn't need an FMU... (even if I did, the one prepared for the US market wont do any good for me).
Sorry for the long post, anybody is welcome to illustrate me... thanks!
09-13-2004, 02:52 AM
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Help me decide turbo or not... T
Ok the map is actually a little easier to work with versus the MAF issues we run into.
The Basic Kit is a max of 7psi without the intercooler, and it consists of the following:
• T3 Super 60 Turbo( Internal Gated )
• 304L Stainless Steel Log Style Manifold
• Down pipe
• Intake
• Air filter
• SS Oil feed line and Oil return line and fittings
• Charge pipes
• SSQV BOV
• Greddy or HKS Turbo Timer
• Autometer Boost Gauge
• Vortech FMU
• And All Necessary Install Hardware
Yes it uses the Stock injectors in conjunction with a FMU
Yes you can upgrade the Fuel Pump with no issues with the ECU.
The FMU is a mechanical devices which uses the boost pressure to raise the fuel pressure on the rail, and you do have a o2 sensor it is just down under the car back close to the firewall.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them.
The Basic Kit is a max of 7psi without the intercooler, and it consists of the following:
• T3 Super 60 Turbo( Internal Gated )
• 304L Stainless Steel Log Style Manifold
• Down pipe
• Intake
• Air filter
• SS Oil feed line and Oil return line and fittings
• Charge pipes
• SSQV BOV
• Greddy or HKS Turbo Timer
• Autometer Boost Gauge
• Vortech FMU
• And All Necessary Install Hardware
Yes it uses the Stock injectors in conjunction with a FMU
Yes you can upgrade the Fuel Pump with no issues with the ECU.
The FMU is a mechanical devices which uses the boost pressure to raise the fuel pressure on the rail, and you do have a o2 sensor it is just down under the car back close to the firewall.
If you have any other questions feel free to ask and I will do my best to answer them.
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and you do have a o2 sensor it is just down under the car back close to the firewall.
yeah, if you were to stand on the side of your car while the hood's up.... you'd want to look behind the block and down to the base of your firewall
your o2 should be there on the upper side of your flexpipe
09-13-2004, 09:27 AM
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Thanks Tim.
If I would compare the T25 with that T3 super 60, what would be the main differences between them? Which one would spool faster and sooner at low-mid rpm band?
If I would compare the T25 with that T3 super 60, what would be the main differences between them? Which one would spool faster and sooner at low-mid rpm band?
09-13-2004, 09:36 AM
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Thanks Tim.
If I would compare the T25 with that T3 super 60, what would be the main differences between them? Which one would spool faster and sooner at low-mid rpm band?
If I would compare the T25 with that T3 super 60, what would be the main differences between them? Which one would spool faster and sooner at low-mid rpm band?
the t25 would spool faster but would be capable of less boost.
tim, is that fmu the same thing as a rising rate fuel pressure regulator?
if not how do they differ? laugh.gif
09-20-2004, 06:27 PM
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and you do have a o2 sensor it is just down under the car back close to the firewall.
yeah, if you were to stand on the side of your car while the hood's up.... you'd want to look behind the block and down to the base of your firewall
your o2 should be there on the upper side of your flexpipe
Actually guys... and I write this for all of others which might have the same setup as I have (a very few, if any at all) I DON'T HAVE A O2 SENSOR.
I doubted when I read your posts even though I was pretty sure. But I checked not only by looking, but also with the dealerrship. Here what we have is a MAP based OPEN LOOP ECU. That means there is no need for the O2 sensor, because the ECU won't actually "see" what's going on after it injects the fuel. There is a fuel inyection device that operates just by turning a screw, it's located where you have your knocking sensor (on the left strut tower) on the US spec cars.
That's why I think it should be easier to instal a turbo on our spec Hyundais. I supose everything you need is the mechanical parts (Turbo and hardware, FPR, Fuel pump) as the ECU wont "see" and "correct" anything by7 itself. .... the other thing that would need to be done is to retard spark, is it always necesary to retard spark, or is it only necesary under severe boost?
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Re: Body Kit
quick question not real familiar with FI yet but what is the difference in the two styles of manifolds i.e. Equal length vs. Log Style?
and the differences in your different wastegates?
and the differences in your different wastegates?
09-27-2004, 08:50 PM
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Re: SUPENSION BARS??
log style is where the ports come out and collect into a single pipe.
equal length is just that, all the pipes are equally lengthed. those are the manifolds that you see twist all around everywhere.
log style manifolds are very durable, and cheaper to make(less material and easier), but are a restriction at a certain point. equal length ones are pretty muh never a restriction.
view this page for pics....
http://www.speed-factor.com/store/index.ph...4d6a06eccee5f53
equal length is just that, all the pipes are equally lengthed. those are the manifolds that you see twist all around everywhere.
log style manifolds are very durable, and cheaper to make(less material and easier), but are a restriction at a certain point. equal length ones are pretty muh never a restriction.
view this page for pics....
http://www.speed-factor.com/store/index.ph...4d6a06eccee5f53