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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 08:43 AM
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Is anyone really interested in the GT Wing for the RD models.

Reason is we are looking into RD mounts for the GT Wing which will use the stock holes.

Is this something people would be interested in or am I wasting my time.
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 08:44 AM
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Pic?



If its that thing, probably not.
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 09:57 AM
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Is that the wing that Mad_John has? Would like some pics of it installed too...
Is there any chance you could make it in CF?
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Old Nov 29, 2006 | 10:06 AM
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that spoiler is so rice i think i want some stir-fry now.

our stock spoilers are just nasty anthing else is not only a waste of time and money, it will probably make your car look like fast and furious 5:RD DRiFT
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 09:27 AM
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It's interesting to see how RD guys seem to hate a GT Wings whereas GK people absolutely eat it up! The benefit of this product is that it's made to utilize the stock mounting holes from the OEM spoiler--giving you the option to change the look of the car with ease. Generic wings that you can find in AutoZone, E-bay, and just about anywhere else will require drilling new mounting holes and molding over the stock ones. The GT Wing was computer-designed to have a maximum effect on the car's performance. Generic aluminum wings may actually have a similar effect, but they were more than likely just designed for looks (sad as that is) rather than functionality.

And for those of you who don't believe that wings have a place on front-wheel drive cars, here's some quick reading...

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Why a wing can be useful on a FWD car...

FWD cars naturally under-steer. At low speeds, this is all they may do and require you to go through corners slowly. At high speeds (60 MPH and above), letting off the gas or getting on the brakes transfers weight forward which can cause the front end to lose traction first; but ALSO, if entering a corner, can cause the REAR (which already is generating lift) to get light enough to want to spin. There have been MANY crashes of FWD cars that spun under trailing throttle conditions (and Audi had to recall the TT to add a rear spoiler to fix this).

Suspension wise, you can counter the tendency to under-steer at lower speeds by increasing stiffness at the rear, either with stiffer springs or with a larger sway-bar. This makes the car turn in better, meaning you can go faster through the low speed corners (say going through a corner at 40 MPH that would have had to be gone through at 25 MPH before). Unfortunately, this makes the car even MORE unstable when slowing for a higher speed corner (or even just going real fast in a straight line). What to do?

Enter the wing. Adding the wing will not affect the car noticeably below 60 MPH or so, meaning the larger sway-bar allows the car to go faster through low speed corners, but by removing rear lift and adding rear down-force, even a tiny bit, the car can remain stable entering a corner at 60-80 MPH (such as a freeway offramp), thus increasing speed though faster sweepers, as well. On a road course, this means greater corner entry speed and greater exit speed, making the straights between the corners "shorter" even if you've reduced top speed by 5 MPH or so with the added drag of the rear wing.

In this way you can actually make a car faster from point A to point B without adding a single horsepower AND while reducing the top speed slightly.

The point of this lecture? A rear wing can help a FWD car if properly adjusted (though most street cars aren't) and an improperly adjusted rear wing will most likely NOT negatively affect a street car at legal speeds (though one with a negative Angle of Attack can generate more rear lift making the car more unstable at speeds over 60-80 MPH).

Oh, that brings me to another myth: Wings only work at high speed. Too often we see people looking at a car with a rear wing and saying, "I hope he plans on going over 150 MPH to need that wing" or "that car can't go fast enough for that huge wing to work."

Wings start working as soon as air is flowing over them. A Piper Cub airplane can FLY at 35 MPH [the larger the wing (in relation to the mass it's working against) the LOWER the speed at which it becomes effective. In fact, it could be argued that the typical huge double-decker "ricer" wing is necessary on the slow cars precisely because they are too slow to be able to make a smaller wing work. You want to test this? Drive at 50 MPH with your hand out the window, palm flat down. Twist your wrist up and down and feel the air push your hand up and down. Now picture something with 30-40 times your hand's surface area at that speed.


QUOTE (StrikeEagle @ Nov 29 2006, 04:57 PM)
Is that the wing that Mad_John has? Would like some pics of it installed too...
Is there any chance you could make it in CF?

I've got tons of GT Wing pics installed on GK's, but have to search around for additional RD shots. The few that I have only have the larger brackets installed, whereas the lower ones seem to have a nicer overall appeal.
And I actually do have them available in carbon fiber! Of course, I just have to get the mounting bases for an RD before actually listing this as an available product for you guys. Not that this is a problem though--it only takes about a week to obtain special orders from Korea...




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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 09:52 AM
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That should be made a sticky.... And then sent over to AR =P..


I like the wing, I dont think its rice at all. Id be interested, depends on the cost tho
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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I like them to and think they look good on on the RD2, I have been looking into getting one of these so a mounting system that picked up on our existing spoiler holes would be appreciated for sure!
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 10:38 AM
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the lower stands would probally look the best on Rd's. although some may hate the wing idea, some absolutely love it.
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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Wings start working as soon as air is flowing over them. A Piper Cub airplane can FLY at 35 MPH


What do you mean fly? generate lift? then a piper cub can fly at 0 MPH. hell, a piper cub can fly at -MPH (backwards) if you find the right winds (I've done it).
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Old Nov 30, 2006 | 11:21 AM
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QUOTE (KAW21100 @ Nov 30 2006, 04:52 PM)
That should be made a sticky.... And then sent over to AR =P..
I like the wing, I dont think its rice at all. Id be interested, depends on the cost tho

We've got 'em listed for $380. Of course, I'm always trying to bring down costs on just about anything we offer and am hoping to retail the RD2 GT Wings for closer to $325-$350.


QUOTE (Zippy1 @ Nov 30 2006, 05:29 PM)
I like them to and think they look good on on the RD2, I have been looking into getting one of these so a mounting system that picked up on our existing spoiler holes would be appreciated for sure!

Well, the mounting bases for the RD Tibs are available from GT Wing....I just have to order them. In fact, I'd love to just get one set to make a mold of and have my fabricator make them in carbon fiber!


QUOTE (rd1tib @ Nov 30 2006, 05:38 PM)
the lower stands would probally look the best on Rd's. although some may hate the wing idea, some absolutely love it.

My thoughts exactly. I'm trying to find an RD1/2 with size #1 or #2 brackets!


QUOTE (Patreezy @ Nov 30 2006, 05:45 PM)
What do you mean fly? generate lift? then a piper cub can fly at 0 MPH. hell, a piper cub can fly at -MPH (backwards) if you find the right winds (I've done it).

I obviously didn't write all that...and have absolutely no idea what a piper cub is. I'll take your word for it being able to fly at 0mph though! wink1.gif
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