Turbo Tubing - New Update inside
 

Hi all, I'm not sure if this is good here, but just to keep you all up to date, one thing I learned today is:

1- Without the FAL fans, no way my t3/t4 turbo would have fit.
2- With my manifold, there isn't much room for tubing. (if I want to be able to show it)
3- Also as Cheuk had stated no way to put an external wastegate where it normally goes. (understand when a shop decides to sponsor you with so much, sometimes your hands are crossed) therefore the wastegate will go on a bypass to the downpipe, not sure yet how, have to wait and see.
4- Tubing cannot be polished cause of the metal, and I really hate powder coating, cause it scrapes off, until I have the money to purchase nicer piping... the piping will have to be Chrome, yes you heard it right, chrome, yes I know the heat retention yes I know it's not full performance, but unfotunately, I don't want crappy looking piping, and I don't want to take away from the look of the rest of the engine. We'll see how it ends up. (luckily I got powerful fans now)

But as far as the piping, here are some pictures that Cheuk posted that may help explain what I mean a little...

As you see in this picture, look at the piping close to the radiator, well they have no 2nd fan that's why it fits, I do have a fan there, so they can't do that, which means my tubing will be a little higher to where you will immediately see it once opening the hood, My turbo is located exactly the same way as in this picture, and the filter instead of going down, I asked them to face it up, and put a heat shield on it... If possible:


For those going with the champion manifold similar to this picture, you will have no worries about this, but then again, that one has no external wastegate taking up space, we really truly don't have as much space as I thought:


OK, I wasn't gonna post this picture cause it's only for my Sponsors to follow up on, but I want you guys to understand what I mean, if you look at where my hand is holding the fans, the piping is almost to my ring then it makes the bend to the turbo...
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fd6b8f44.jpg

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thank you

[ August 13, 2002, 12:53 PM: Message edited by: Bat Lord ]

Man... all that tubing looks like a big pile of complicated. I'd love a turbo, but BatLord, you must have the patience of a saint to have done all the R&D that putting a turbo on a car requires. Same goes to anyone else on here who has done the same.
That car is gonna be nice, though! :D Can't wait to see the results!

Actually... I gotta turbo question: In the second photo, that shows the turbo setup on the stand, the air filter sits right where it would pick up hot air that's come through the radiator and near the exhaust.
BatLord, you mentioned you asked your shop to put a heatshielded filter on yours. Would some form of CAI pulling air from the fender well not work with that setup? Wouldn't that, plus the intercooler, help lower intake air temps even more than just the intercooler?

[ August 13, 2002, 11:58 AM: Message edited by: stickshift ]

I know that this is less efficient but has your shop thought of flipping the fans to the front of the radiator for a push type set-up? Or simply putting the fan on the passenger side on the outside of the radiator? It seems that this would be a simply fix. Since your possibly getting chrome pipes anyway it's obvious that your willing to sacrifice a small amout of performance.

Ok to answer your questions, and they are good questions too:

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>BatLord, you mentioned you asked your shop to put a heatshielded filter on yours. Would some form of CAI pulling air from the fender well not work with that setup? Wouldn't that, plus the intercooler, help lower intake air temps even more than just the intercooler?</div>I specifially told them, I want to stay away from any type of CAI setups, this is too expensive for me to lose just cause of some puddle or anything similar, so that I do not want, but yes, I can form something on the bottom, that directs cold air to inside the engine, I will think about this, since it also means it will dirty up the engine too much...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Or simply putting the fan on the passenger side on the outside of the radiator? It seems that this would be a simply fix. Since your possibly getting chrome pipes anyway it's obvious that your willing to sacrifice a small amout of performance.</div>Main reason I would not like this, is cause I will be doing the same thing random does, and have that fan running all the time, to cool the turbo somewhat, if I remove it and put it on the other side, it hurts that purpose...

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...8/fd6b8f44.jpg

[ August 13, 2002, 12:48 PM: Message edited by: Viper966 ]

lol, thanks man, I forgot that I can't use the big one, IMAGESTATION always disables it tongue.gif

Bat do you have a vented hood too?

NOPE, don't want any dirt in the engine, and risk of the beautiful MIAMI WEATHER, with hurricanes and the storms... frown

That's what I thought. I would recomend that you search diligently for someone that can build you polished stainles pipes for the future. There may be away to coat the insided with ceramic to avoid the common discoloration process if your trying to avoid that.
To keep things cool are you running a secondary oil cooler?

not as of yet, but i have thought about it, it's just that unfortunately my funds are finally out, I didn't even have any flow for the chroming, but they are trying to see if the shop will do it for free as a favor to them... if not I will have to go and whore myself

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Bat Lord:
not as of yet, but i have thought about it, it's just that unfortunately my funds are finally out,</div>You can always pawn Nikki's wedding ring. :D

I hope she doesn't read this. hahahaha....

Yuri, if I hit the lotto, you will have full sponsorship from my adult dvd/novelty store I'm gonna open. wink

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>You can always pawn Nikki's wedding ring.</div>hahaha, damn, I would have enough for 2 turbos then, wwwoooohhoooo V6 swap coming up with twin turbos... :D

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>my adult dvd/novelty store I'm gonna open.</div>Been thinking of that myself, lol, but of course I'd have to incorporate a tuning shop, maybe the girls can be the installers... wouldn't you guys come to a shop and have your windshield wipers installed all the time... I know you Hootie, and you'd brake them and buy new ones just to see them install new ones all over... hehehe I'd be rich

*dead* :D

It can be half tuning shop and half adult dvd store.

You can preview your favorite pr0n while waiting for your exhaust to be installed. :D

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...2/fd67e24d.jpg

Here's a pic of the ic installed, as you it's bigger than that pictured above...

I'm not sure what your performance goals are, but wouldn't your life be easier with an internal wastegate?

In the first pic: The piping barely misses the manifold. Would there be any issues with the heat coming from the maifold?

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>wouldn't your life be easier with an internal wastegate...</div>Well see from what everyone has told me including the shop, and from what I've looked around and read, nothing beats the external, internals don't last long I've seen, and I would rather the control factor, plus the price for me is the same exact thing...

As far as the HEAT... we did try the fans already, and they are incredible, those things will keep the turbo cooled enough to not really affect it... yes the tubing will be close, but I feel the fans will do it's job, as Random said, I will have to have 1 running all the time... :D

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure what your performance goals are?</div>My main goal remains the same as it has since I began into the Hyundai Scene, to show what we're all about, and what can be accomplished with a Hyundai... I think I will leave the PERFORMANCE FACTOR to guys like RED and RANDOM... Yes my car will be fast, I want to be pushing 220 whp as a daily driver, and in my mind that's enough, for next year, I have already promised many to go to 300 whp with a few more upgrades... and think about it as if you were in my shoes, after spending so much $$,$$$.$$ into one car, would you want to see it go away with a flash, as in a crash at the track or similar... I will be taking it to the track and yes I will be dynoing, but once again, RED and RANDOM and ONPOL are our top hp guys... :D

[ August 14, 2002, 07:07 AM: Message edited by: Bat Lord ]

The fans cannot be placed in front of the radiator unless you don't have AC, or unless you remove the AC system. The AC Condensor radiator in front of the coolant radiator.

Aiming the turbo "down" would have provided a tad more room, but it would have made the installtion less visable. BatLord wants this turbo to be VISIBLE for car shows, and as such, the "upward" pointing turbo is his best bet there.

Batlord- Rather that powercoating, you could always go for Ceramic coating. Performance and appearance, and also much more scrach resistant. Some limited color choices are also available to try to coordinate with your engine color scheme. Damn...the project looks good so far!

A short CAI tube will have to be fabricated as you need to seperate the MAF from the heat of the turbo. The MAF must be at least 6" away from the turbo for heat reasons. It will read horribly wrong if you mount it closer to the turbo. (wanna guess how I figured that out?) This should put the filter closer to the battery, and about as close to 'cold' air as can be mananged easily without the risks of a "true" CAI. The only other option would be to route it down the hole behind the battery, but that would require extensive tubing, or battery relocation.

Lastly...I just recently found some oil thermostats. They fit inline with oil tubing. At low temp, it returns the oil without routing it through the cooler, at high temp, it allows the oil to run through the cooler. It starts to open at around 165 degrees and is fully open by 180 degrees. This prevents you from OVER cooling your oil. I'll be hooking up an oil cooler with the in-line thermostat and posting all the details for everyone once my project motor get's going in about 2 months.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE</div><div class='quotemain'>Rather that powercoating, you could always go for Ceramic coating.</div>Problem with this is MONEY and LOCATION... unfortunately we don't have one that the shop is contact to, for a lower discount...

:D

I have to admit Bat it is easy for us to shoot you suggestion since it's not our money!! I also want to tell you that I'm damn proud of what you have before and are currently doing for the Hyundai scene. You are always generous with advice and plenty of pictures. :cool:
Random can you post more info on the inline thermostat for oil lines?

thanks guys, you all made me see though, that I have to go with my first impression of their idea... I just came back and told them I want NO CHROME and to please powder coat the tubing... :D