Rallying Is Football
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>The World Motor Sport Council met in Monaco this past Friday. Among other topics, the group announced some decisions that will apply to the 2006 World Rally Championship.
As a cost reduction measure, the following rallies will be linked for engine and chassis in 2006:
Monte Carlo and Sweden
Spain and France
Italy and Greece
Germany and Finland
Australia and New Zealand
For these rallies the engine and chassis will be sealed together and it will not be possible to separate them, except under the supervision of the FIA.
The same method will be used for the gearbox on the following rallies:
Italy and Greece
Cyprus and Turkey
Australia and New Zealand
On the first rally of the link, two gearbox and differential assemblies per car will be sealed. On the second rally of the link, one gearbox and differential assembly per car will be sealed.
There will also be a limitation on other mechanical parts across linked events, although the FIA did not specify more information at the moment.</div>
It reminds me of shotty football miscalls. When the team is one pass from touchdown about to win a game, then there's a flag and officials call that the player with the football was down and then that team LOSES the entire game! Then post game review they say it was a bad call and that infact the player was not down and that he was in the air into touchdown. So why should the football team lose simply because the officials made a bad call?! Thus why I HATE football and I rarely watch any of it.
One can say they like Automobile rallying for the same purpose as another saying they like football because a car drifting a corner at high speeds avoiding all sorts of hazards and looking good doing it can be compared to Tom Brady making a hefty pass which is caught and ran by a player dodging all hazards stopping him from touchdown. OK the action is neat to watch. But what about the faulty calls. Is it up to some old bags not even playing on the field to decide the outcome of the game? The touchdown is the equivalent of a finish line in a WRC stage. The cars and teams will now be ruled and pestered by the FIA. Official Motorsport teams running THEIR OWN property cars and paying their own teams will not be able to even lay a finger on the car during more than half of the rallies at different times.
I dislike football for the retarded calls, and I also dislike WRC for the same reason. Penalties...etc.
I would also love to mention, Subaru didn't want Colin McRae or Tommi Makinen driving their WRX, so they didn't even score a podium on the world title; That's 4th to be exact. Peugeot didn't win the world title because they didn't keep the 206. And Mitsubishi certainly didn't win anything because they ran that monkey butt mobile which didn't even promote a model that was currently out. Hurray for Citroen which showed everyone what rallying is all about. Sebasiten Loeb beat every team by 60 points (that meant they had the winner in June and it is now December) by staying and using the 2000 Xsara body and building the car up to spec--That's the way to do it!
As a cost reduction measure, the following rallies will be linked for engine and chassis in 2006:
Monte Carlo and Sweden
Spain and France
Italy and Greece
Germany and Finland
Australia and New Zealand
For these rallies the engine and chassis will be sealed together and it will not be possible to separate them, except under the supervision of the FIA.
The same method will be used for the gearbox on the following rallies:
Italy and Greece
Cyprus and Turkey
Australia and New Zealand
On the first rally of the link, two gearbox and differential assemblies per car will be sealed. On the second rally of the link, one gearbox and differential assembly per car will be sealed.
There will also be a limitation on other mechanical parts across linked events, although the FIA did not specify more information at the moment.</div>
It reminds me of shotty football miscalls. When the team is one pass from touchdown about to win a game, then there's a flag and officials call that the player with the football was down and then that team LOSES the entire game! Then post game review they say it was a bad call and that infact the player was not down and that he was in the air into touchdown. So why should the football team lose simply because the officials made a bad call?! Thus why I HATE football and I rarely watch any of it.
One can say they like Automobile rallying for the same purpose as another saying they like football because a car drifting a corner at high speeds avoiding all sorts of hazards and looking good doing it can be compared to Tom Brady making a hefty pass which is caught and ran by a player dodging all hazards stopping him from touchdown. OK the action is neat to watch. But what about the faulty calls. Is it up to some old bags not even playing on the field to decide the outcome of the game? The touchdown is the equivalent of a finish line in a WRC stage. The cars and teams will now be ruled and pestered by the FIA. Official Motorsport teams running THEIR OWN property cars and paying their own teams will not be able to even lay a finger on the car during more than half of the rallies at different times.
I dislike football for the retarded calls, and I also dislike WRC for the same reason. Penalties...etc.
I would also love to mention, Subaru didn't want Colin McRae or Tommi Makinen driving their WRX, so they didn't even score a podium on the world title; That's 4th to be exact. Peugeot didn't win the world title because they didn't keep the 206. And Mitsubishi certainly didn't win anything because they ran that monkey butt mobile which didn't even promote a model that was currently out. Hurray for Citroen which showed everyone what rallying is all about. Sebasiten Loeb beat every team by 60 points (that meant they had the winner in June and it is now December) by staying and using the 2000 Xsara body and building the car up to spec--That's the way to do it!
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Yes yes, Seb Loeb is a mad man behind this wheel. And he truly deserves it!! Two consecutive times in a row. He's showing the FIA who's boss. He's young too, I think below 30 years of age.
All of the world's most famous drivers were liquidated!! Tommi Makinen, Juha Kankkunen, Colin McRae & Bro, Armin Schwarz just to name a few masters--all banished! How could it ever get to that!
The FIA have rules so ridiculous as teams cannot put co-driver name decals in the side glass anymore. Car numbers are thin hot red or yellow and you can't even see them at all not to mention they look like crap, and cannot be black on white badged on the door. No night racing anylonger.
This is the FIRST year the FIA took control of the calendar. Rallye Monte Carlo is to be first and Rally of Great Briatin is to be last. It was always like that never changed!!! This year, instead they wanted to reduce costs for teams because Rally of Great Britain was too muddy for the end of the year and they wanted to reduce the risk of accidents--Rest In Peace Michael Park who this year was crushed when Markko Martin's Ford Focus slammed into a tree sideways at the door splitting the car in half. The first death in a World Rally since 10 years and due to the fact that the rally was moved an earlier date. Thank you FIA for killing him.
I know there are a lot of football fans, but do you football guys out there agree that the rules kill the sport?! And that WRC is now like football, like Formula 1 (as you guys mentioned above), like Nascar, like basketball (foul after foul after foul). I'm not a football fan. I'm ok for watching it once in a while under the sole influence of my friends, but I can't stand when they talk about this team winning against that. The scores in the end totally are not right most of the time because some crap judges get to decide which team gets the overall advantage.
I'm going to have to wait for the Olympics for years now...
All of the world's most famous drivers were liquidated!! Tommi Makinen, Juha Kankkunen, Colin McRae & Bro, Armin Schwarz just to name a few masters--all banished! How could it ever get to that!
The FIA have rules so ridiculous as teams cannot put co-driver name decals in the side glass anymore. Car numbers are thin hot red or yellow and you can't even see them at all not to mention they look like crap, and cannot be black on white badged on the door. No night racing anylonger.
This is the FIRST year the FIA took control of the calendar. Rallye Monte Carlo is to be first and Rally of Great Briatin is to be last. It was always like that never changed!!! This year, instead they wanted to reduce costs for teams because Rally of Great Britain was too muddy for the end of the year and they wanted to reduce the risk of accidents--Rest In Peace Michael Park who this year was crushed when Markko Martin's Ford Focus slammed into a tree sideways at the door splitting the car in half. The first death in a World Rally since 10 years and due to the fact that the rally was moved an earlier date. Thank you FIA for killing him.
I know there are a lot of football fans, but do you football guys out there agree that the rules kill the sport?! And that WRC is now like football, like Formula 1 (as you guys mentioned above), like Nascar, like basketball (foul after foul after foul). I'm not a football fan. I'm ok for watching it once in a while under the sole influence of my friends, but I can't stand when they talk about this team winning against that. The scores in the end totally are not right most of the time because some crap judges get to decide which team gets the overall advantage.
I'm going to have to wait for the Olympics for years now...
Personally.. I actually welcome some of the rules change. While I do think that the scheadule should not be altered, I believe that some enforced "Cost cutting" on the teams will be good for the sport overall.
Why? Rallying has simply become TOO expensive for all but the major players to afford. Back in the 70s, it was very possible for a normal human being to walk into the factory at Renault, Fiat, Ford, or any of the other players and buy a year old rally car (used) and still be competitive on the field with the big guys.
I also think that current rally cars are TOO good. Like the fabled Skyline GTR.. the cars practically drive themselves on the course, park themselves at night, and shake the mud off so they can be clean and shiney in the morning. In my mind Motorsport has always been about the drivers. It is always about the nut behind the wheel who can make or break a rally or even a rally team.
I want simpler and cheaper cars, the same scheadule as before, and more emphasis on the drivers.
In that respect, the FIA has failed us.. sort of like Formula 1 at Indy last year.
Why? Rallying has simply become TOO expensive for all but the major players to afford. Back in the 70s, it was very possible for a normal human being to walk into the factory at Renault, Fiat, Ford, or any of the other players and buy a year old rally car (used) and still be competitive on the field with the big guys.
I also think that current rally cars are TOO good. Like the fabled Skyline GTR.. the cars practically drive themselves on the course, park themselves at night, and shake the mud off so they can be clean and shiney in the morning. In my mind Motorsport has always been about the drivers. It is always about the nut behind the wheel who can make or break a rally or even a rally team.
I want simpler and cheaper cars, the same scheadule as before, and more emphasis on the drivers.
In that respect, the FIA has failed us.. sort of like Formula 1 at Indy last year.
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see Mad, what blows me off is the the FIA made it if the car is retired say it goes off the road and cannot start back up again, or a mechanical failiure of some sort, it can start the stage over. so why enforce the better technology in the first place?
rallying is quite expensive for the teams to afford, but to my knowledge it is the FIA who has a list of many manufacturers who applied for entry. the FIA gets to control which manufacturer gets to play the A8 game. so that must mean there are cars that need to be promoted, most of the applicants have been turned down by the FIA, and that many of the manufacturers that apply have the budget to spend for a WRC season. what they should do is limit the contracts on the number of years the cars are to be rallied. but i'm no official and me, a nobody--meaning im just a spectator, i cannot say what changes are to be made. i think we can only just choose how close we want to pay attention to the sport. i think now i'm just going to pay attention to Monte Carlo (because it's always been my favorite) and then wait one year without watching anyting to see who won and what has happened.
the cheaper cars are for the high revving F2/Super 1600 class. even though they cannot drift as well or drive as fast in a straight line, they're still fun to watch and the budget is considerably lower. that enough would be up to the manufacturer's to decide on how much money would be spent if they wanted to select a super 1600 or a WRC. The only demand i think would be necessary would be to sponsor and televise the super 1600 class as much as WRC instead of creating a bunch of cost reducing BS rules.
I do agree with cost reducing which would make more good things possible. But I do not agree with elimination of the number of cars from 3 per team to 2, cutting professional drivers, swapping calendar dates, breathing down teams backs so they cannot touch their own property, co-driver names/numbers on cars cannot be placed anymore, no more night racing (just eliminate the huge lamps with HID bulbs!) i mean the list goes on. there's more bad then good.
rallying is quite expensive for the teams to afford, but to my knowledge it is the FIA who has a list of many manufacturers who applied for entry. the FIA gets to control which manufacturer gets to play the A8 game. so that must mean there are cars that need to be promoted, most of the applicants have been turned down by the FIA, and that many of the manufacturers that apply have the budget to spend for a WRC season. what they should do is limit the contracts on the number of years the cars are to be rallied. but i'm no official and me, a nobody--meaning im just a spectator, i cannot say what changes are to be made. i think we can only just choose how close we want to pay attention to the sport. i think now i'm just going to pay attention to Monte Carlo (because it's always been my favorite) and then wait one year without watching anyting to see who won and what has happened.
the cheaper cars are for the high revving F2/Super 1600 class. even though they cannot drift as well or drive as fast in a straight line, they're still fun to watch and the budget is considerably lower. that enough would be up to the manufacturer's to decide on how much money would be spent if they wanted to select a super 1600 or a WRC. The only demand i think would be necessary would be to sponsor and televise the super 1600 class as much as WRC instead of creating a bunch of cost reducing BS rules.
I do agree with cost reducing which would make more good things possible. But I do not agree with elimination of the number of cars from 3 per team to 2, cutting professional drivers, swapping calendar dates, breathing down teams backs so they cannot touch their own property, co-driver names/numbers on cars cannot be placed anymore, no more night racing (just eliminate the huge lamps with HID bulbs!) i mean the list goes on. there's more bad then good.
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Guys, and for everyone, even if you're not a fan of rallying,
All cars for 2006 will use the same engine. (WWWTTTFFF****!?!?!?!?!?!?)
It is confirmed and official. MITSUBISHI MOTORS backs out of the World Rally Championship and will have nothing more to do with it 2006 onward. Apparently they don't see the programme witholding and are low on budget. They lost some of their top drivers like Tommi Makinen due to FIA cost cuts. They remain fourth and below podium for 4 years now.
Also, I would like to remember Richard Burns who died on thanksgiving 2005 of a malignant form of cancer, a high category brain tumor at age 34. RIP Burnsy... crying.gif
All cars for 2006 will use the same engine. (WWWTTTFFF****!?!?!?!?!?!?)
It is confirmed and official. MITSUBISHI MOTORS backs out of the World Rally Championship and will have nothing more to do with it 2006 onward. Apparently they don't see the programme witholding and are low on budget. They lost some of their top drivers like Tommi Makinen due to FIA cost cuts. They remain fourth and below podium for 4 years now.
Also, I would like to remember Richard Burns who died on thanksgiving 2005 of a malignant form of cancer, a high category brain tumor at age 34. RIP Burnsy... crying.gif


