Ran a CR-Z
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tbh biofuels would require the least amount of infrastructure change, fast charging EVs sap a shitload of power which is something people like to ignore.
this is especially relevant in australia, where the majority of power generation is done by burning coal
this is especially relevant in australia, where the majority of power generation is done by burning coal
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I am not saying there won't be oil to pull from the ground, I'm just saying it will continue to get more and more expensive to do it. Eventually more people will say screw it and switch to something cheaper. In a decade gas might be $10 per gallon or higher. What if it's $20 per gallon? Sure, you can still get it, but once it's cheaper to own and operate electric vehicles there will be a lot more of them. I doubt we will have a fossil fuel-less society in my lifetime, but I would bet that most people won't be able to afford to fill a typical car from today with gasoline by 2050. It costs over $125 to fill up my Bronco at times already. And that would get me a bit over 300 miles. Luckily fuel economy has improved by leaps and bounds, but at $12.50 a gallon it would be equally bad from a cost standpoint to fill up an LC Accent.
So once again, it's not that we are running out of oil, it's just getting more and more expensive to recover, refine, and deliver to the consumer while demand is increasing greatly due to increasing standard of living in former second world countries. That will continue to happen. Drilling in every location in the world will prolong the amount of time that gasoline is affordable, but it can't go on indefinitely. As it is I don't see how it is possible to remove oil from the ground half the world away, ship it to a refinery, refine it into a gallon of gas, ship it to a gas station, and sell it to me for less than $4 per gallon...all while making a large profit. I would find it amazing if they could get me a gallon of seawater directly from the dead sea for that price and make a profit.
So once again, it's not that we are running out of oil, it's just getting more and more expensive to recover, refine, and deliver to the consumer while demand is increasing greatly due to increasing standard of living in former second world countries. That will continue to happen. Drilling in every location in the world will prolong the amount of time that gasoline is affordable, but it can't go on indefinitely. As it is I don't see how it is possible to remove oil from the ground half the world away, ship it to a refinery, refine it into a gallon of gas, ship it to a gas station, and sell it to me for less than $4 per gallon...all while making a large profit. I would find it amazing if they could get me a gallon of seawater directly from the dead sea for that price and make a profit.
Here is the catch to that. Before internal combustion engines became popular electric motors where already on the rise, and fall due to power production and battery limits. I'd have to say that I don't disagree that I love the sound of a top fuel dragster, but hey guess what, they are running alcohol, not petroleum products.
Electric cars are great for places where power production isn't, lets say coal, or the like. Not sure though if it would be better to have a bunch of nuclear plants around though, or possibly something even more volatile.
I'll also have to agree that battery tech has to come up, quite a bit for that to be a real viable long term solution. Motors have been extensively researched, used in many different industrial, military, and consumer products. Motors we've got down, but if it's not plugged into a wall, or large power source, constantly, it is basically moot.
Oil has become very popular due to cars, ships, trains, plains, basically anything that has wheels. I'd have to say that people being creatures of habit, oil isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Though they may help with biofuels, enlightened self interest, they will then use some of the land, that has already been tapped out, and use it to grow "something" that burns.
Electric cars are great for places where power production isn't, lets say coal, or the like. Not sure though if it would be better to have a bunch of nuclear plants around though, or possibly something even more volatile.
I'll also have to agree that battery tech has to come up, quite a bit for that to be a real viable long term solution. Motors have been extensively researched, used in many different industrial, military, and consumer products. Motors we've got down, but if it's not plugged into a wall, or large power source, constantly, it is basically moot.
Oil has become very popular due to cars, ships, trains, plains, basically anything that has wheels. I'd have to say that people being creatures of habit, oil isn't going anywhere anytime soon. Though they may help with biofuels, enlightened self interest, they will then use some of the land, that has already been tapped out, and use it to grow "something" that burns.
I love the sound of a top fuel dragster, but hey guess what, they are running alcohol
If you are talking about my derp picture post??.. if so, a few counter points
1) Top fuels only run 10% methanol and only because the TV people dislike motors going boom with 100% nitro
2) I never said crap about petroleum, just being a smartass towards the electrics are the fastest comment.



