why many people are becoming atheists nowadays ?
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That is one thing I can assure you that didn't occur. I might have mentioned the same concepts, but all of that was typed out right then and there, thought of right then and there. That is why it took an hourish and another hourish of editing and revising after posting.
Though again, I didn't expect you guys above to read it, it wasn't reply'd to you, it was replied to the guys I replyed to....You are more than welcome to read it, but it wasn't written with the expectance that you would read it.
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Oh, at work I couldn't see the image, I though you were calling my post copypasta (which I then had to lookup...)
But yea, there are many horrifying and sad things brought about mby man, using religoin as a scape goat. Just like guns, guns aren't bad, the people are. Unfortunatly all the recent gun crimes have convinced many that guns are bad and need ot be banned, just like many 'religoius' crimes have convinced many that religion is bad or God is. If I had to guess, I would guess 99% of them are from column C.
If I recall FOD, you are not for guns, but a common sense guy and realise that people are the bad thing.
Which i talked about in my TLDR post above.
But so sum up what I wrote above...religoin is on the decline because of things like you copypasta, unfortunatly, it practices in copypasta are quite contradictory to Christianity. That and science drives people to religion more than drived people away from it. Real science anyways...
If you want, give me something just as long if not longer to read, I will agree to read it if you agree to read what I wrote? I did read that long image too (hit ctl+"+") to zoom in and could read most of them. I never heard of the acid on the children before as whitches, that is terrible! I think it was you though not 100% sure (since I took sigs off for work) that had something about a link to religions are bad. Very interesting and shows pretty much what you copypasta says, it is sad.
This is one reason I am huge on pushing people to think for themselves, training, not controlling people to make descisions for themselves based on what they actually think and read, not just what others tell them something says.
But yea, there are many horrifying and sad things brought about mby man, using religoin as a scape goat. Just like guns, guns aren't bad, the people are. Unfortunatly all the recent gun crimes have convinced many that guns are bad and need ot be banned, just like many 'religoius' crimes have convinced many that religion is bad or God is. If I had to guess, I would guess 99% of them are from column C.
If I recall FOD, you are not for guns, but a common sense guy and realise that people are the bad thing.
Which i talked about in my TLDR post above.
But so sum up what I wrote above...religoin is on the decline because of things like you copypasta, unfortunatly, it practices in copypasta are quite contradictory to Christianity. That and science drives people to religion more than drived people away from it. Real science anyways...
If you want, give me something just as long if not longer to read, I will agree to read it if you agree to read what I wrote? I did read that long image too (hit ctl+"+") to zoom in and could read most of them. I never heard of the acid on the children before as whitches, that is terrible! I think it was you though not 100% sure (since I took sigs off for work) that had something about a link to religions are bad. Very interesting and shows pretty much what you copypasta says, it is sad.
This is one reason I am huge on pushing people to think for themselves, training, not controlling people to make descisions for themselves based on what they actually think and read, not just what others tell them something says.
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nope wont read. Im in the middle of finals and have read enough 1000 word essays thank you.
organized religion brainwashes thousands of people into killing, restricting freedoms, or slowing progress of the advancements of science or medicine.
Religion itself isnt bad. If it makes you happy and doesn't harm any one and you can KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTH SHUT about it, than yes more power too you. im happy for you. ill shake your hand and pat you on the back.
open your mouth, force your religion down throats, oppress/harm/kill people who arent in your cult(or heck those who are), or threaten legal prosecution for those who contest your religion then f*ck you and f*ck whatever you believe in.
organized religion brainwashes thousands of people into killing, restricting freedoms, or slowing progress of the advancements of science or medicine.
Religion itself isnt bad. If it makes you happy and doesn't harm any one and you can KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTH SHUT about it, than yes more power too you. im happy for you. ill shake your hand and pat you on the back.
open your mouth, force your religion down throats, oppress/harm/kill people who arent in your cult(or heck those who are), or threaten legal prosecution for those who contest your religion then f*ck you and f*ck whatever you believe in.
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I read your post Whatnot.
Then I read faith's copypasta. I'm admittedly angry as I write this.
Because science.
I would actually say quite the opposite. I think science is turning many towards God. Sure there was the dark ages when man was dumb, hard-headed, and lacking in faith and pretty much just beleived what their dad or religious leaders told them and anything contrary was heresy. I don't mean those times. But the more science reveals, the more is confirmed with what the Bible says, but not just the Bible or Christianity, the more it leads people to believe in an intelligent designer, a creator or all things, would be much more logical than a random chance and rediciulosuly high (almost higher than we can count) odds of probability.
We just recently discovered the fairyfly, it is a 250 micron long fly thing, and it doesn't have wings like traditional aviation theory, it has wierd paint brush like wings which since it is so small has something to do with turbulence or something. But as smart as we are, we are just nw discovering these things, who knows what else we will find.
Comets, where do they come from. According to science, they lose 2% of their mass every revolution and if the theories (NOT to be confused with sicence fact) say the universe is so old, comets couldn't exsist. So where to do comets coem from? Well since science needs to have an aswer to anything, they say it is from this 'Oort' cloud sphere. The sphere was named after the astronomer Jan Oort who hypothesized its existence in 1950. Although its existence has NOY yet been proven through direct observation, the reality of the Oort Cloud is WIDELY ACCEPTED in the scientific community. Jsut like macro evolution. No proof, but theories, theories that require more faith to belive than religions do. The typical, "hey we don't have an answer for something, we can't explain it, so let's use math and science to speculate and push it so firmly, people actualy think it is a fact and to argue it means they have little intellect.
Though I am sure some may see me as a crazy person, I see God every day in mulitple ways. Whether it is random acts of kindness, or helping me through circumstances, or the little seemingly 'pointless' things like the fairy flys or flowers, or in the science of how the moon comes up and the purpose of the moon. All the things that had to occur to make life possible on this planet. With all the billions of stars and galaxies out there, the 'random' chance that the sun could be just far enough to not boil water, and not close enough to freeze it all, the moon is just close enough to provide a tide, but not close enough to flood the earth. The fact that we can adapt to our surroundings, I don't mean becoming a new species (which is a theory, unproven), but adapting as the same species. As the sun sets and rises, creating temperature differences and the earth rotates creates pressure changes and wind, the wind that blow enough to create weather trends which give plants water, not too strong to created 24/7 hurrucane and no life possibilities, not so weak so that weather can't move. Not just the heat of the sun, but the size of it and gravity, not to strong to crush bones, but not so weak we don't develope muscles 'fighting' it as we move throughout the day. The grand things of this universe, all the way down to the smallest things, like finger prints and retinas, how they are all individual and unique.
I work with science and scientists daily. Most scientists that I know don't take the "scientific" teachings of the Bible as fact even if they are religious. Most people are beyond scientifically illiterate. The average person is a moron, and half of the people are stupider than that. I have to explain simple chemistry to these people and I might as well be performing a magic trick in front of them. They stand there, mouth agape in disbelief. I have zero faith in humanity left. But, my assertion that intelligent people don't take religion seriously is a proven fact, not something that I have convinced myself of since I'm not religious.
That trend is pretty downward.
I believe you're confusing scientific discoveries that we don't have an answer for as evidence supporting intelligent design. It is neither. It is neutral information.
It is not scientifically accepted that comets lose 2% of their mass every orbit around the sun. That varies depending on the orbit and composition of the individual comets. The external composition of a comet with frequent passes by the sun also changes from pass to pass because more of the material which is easily subject to sublimation is removed while less volatile materials remain. Also, comets could possibly pick up material while in the outer solar system. We don't currently have any way of knowing how dense the material is outside of the areas cleared by the planets, but it is feasible that a comet could pick up a significant amount of material on its way through.
The Oort cloud is effectively real, however it's composition and density are unknown. It's a region too far out for us to know much about, but even if all that inhabits this zone is a few comets with elliptical orbits (unlikely) then the Oort cloud would still technically exist. It is highly likely that there is a debris field surrounding the solar system, but yes, that's a theory.
None of these theories require more faith than believing in a religion. Why? Because if more data is added due to observations the theory is refined or replaced. Nobody has ever been killed because someone insulted the Oort cloud theory. Some people tend to put faith in whatever they believe to be correct, but as a whole, scientific theorems are modified as our knowledge base expands. I put faith in that SYSTEM, but I do not believe that anywhere near all of the current theories are correct. I still support the system which is based on observable data and refined through scientific principles.
I don't know if you've ever looked up, but there is a lot out there that isn't on Earth. All of the things you mention make life on Earth quite diverse and make life easier in many ways. But, it could be coincidence and I haven't seen any reason to suspect that it isn't. It also might be great for life on Earth, but that may not be the only type of life which is possible. On Titan, there are liquid rivers, lakes, and arguably small seas. There is weather, including an evaporation driven rain cycle. All of this happens at -180 degrees Celsius. The liquids are hydrocarbons instead of dihydrogen monoxide, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility that life could exist without water, based around another solvent. The conditions on Earth are often extreme and inhospitable, yet everywhere we look for it we find life adapted to the conditions. From the superheated volcanic vents on the ocean floors to floating in the frigid troposphere high above the planet wherever we look there is life. Many microorganisms from Earth would be capable of living on various other bodies in the solar system, so even if they are currently barren, their conditions are not too inhospitable for even life as we know it to exist.
I have never, not even once, had someone with a science based education tell me that the more they learned about science the more intelligent design made sense. What I do hear is that it makes people with the knowledge to be able to do so want to look for the answers to the mysteries of the universe. Science does not have all of the answers. Not even close.
I do hear people who don't have any real scientific knowledge use their ignorant interpretation of science as a reason that their religious beliefs are reinforced. They don't know what they're talking about.
Religion: Here is your answer to everything. You don't have to understand anything.
Science: Here is our understanding of everything. We don't give you definite answers about anything.
If you weren't told repeatedly during your formative years that everything around you was created a few thousand years ago by some guy (who also appeared from nothing apparently) that is not a logical conclusion to come to.
If you weren't told repeatedly during your formative years that everything around evolved, that is not a logical conclusion to come to.
That works both ways.....
Evolution is a theory. Microevolution happens. There is good evidence supporting macroevolution (transition fossils in the fossil record at points between well defined species). It is rare for something to become fossilized, then more rare for it to stay intact over time then be discovered by someone. The record is incomplete, but there are a good number of fossils supporting the theory. I don't think the theory is a complete answer to the origin of all species as it sits, but that's me. I don't think it's implausible that it would be able to, when combined with random mutations, account for all life on Earth, but I do think there is more to the story. I have a theory, but I don't want to take the time to explain it here and I haven't found a practical way to test my theory.
The Earth is roughly spherical and is orbiting a much more massive sphere called the sun, with a much smaller sphere orbiting us called the moon which appears to us as almost the same size in the sky as the sun from our vantage point would also not be a logical conclusion to come to all on your own without someone telling you that it is the case, then showing you the proof. But that's the thing about science, you don't HAVE to take anything on faith because someone said so. You don't have to look at evolution as a fact. It's difficult to prove due to time constraints. Darwin's finches come pretty close to proving it, evolving enough to be nearly unrecognizable as related to the original finches to arrive in the Galapagos. The arctic terns blur the line between species in an interesting way, all able to breed with the populations nearest themselves but not with more distant populations.
For me personally it just doesn't make any sense, at all, to think that everything in the entire universe was created by some unseen entity. That doesn't seem likely or logical and nothing even bordering on reasonable evidence to support this has been presented. I'm not truly an atheist though, I just don't know how the universe got to the current configuration. It could possibly have been created by something, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
The people who were raised religious and stay religious purley based on their upbringing can be quite scary. They are full out brainwashed (by definition) and have not thought for themselves nor know what their actually religious book preaches, they just do what others told them to do (hence braing washed). Though some are raised religous and then chose for themselves to remain religioug becuase they chose to, not just due to their upbrining. I guess a sub cat C.
If you don't believe in the Bible stories that is one thing. But conceptually or objectively, if you knew what the Bible says (not what man portrayed it to say), what it actually says and the wisdom in it, and the love shown in it, you would have to think that if the Bible were real, that is some powerful love. Most kings or princes are held to high esteem and treated as royalty, rarely would they live as a commoner given the choice, or even as a servant. And some would people die fro their family or friends, though would anyone die for their enemy too? Leave the comfort of a perfect utopia to go to a place like earth with heartache and evil and selfishness and pain, and suffering, to show an example of how to live life, and then take credit for all of their bad things and pay the debt for thosee? Hopefully there are some Christians out there to show that love to people and THAT is how they will see God, not through science or evidence or miracles, but through God's love being shown, that is how I hope all will know of God and seek Him. Sure I have an intellectual side and enjoy and debate and really don't see a more logical way, and the amazing things of this world scream of a God who created it all. But that isn't how I would like to make known Gods exsistance.
It sounds like the Bible is full of a powerful self absorbed deity being an a-hole to people. Powerful love? That's not the way I see it. It is a vengeful God. One I would not choose to follow should his absolute presence be revealed to me if he is accurately represented in the Bible. Also, any all powerful being turning a blind eye towards the atrocities happening on Earth is by default cruel. One well placed aneurism could save millions of lives. Regardless of the reasoning behind that I would not support any entity willing to do that out of principle. The Bible makes God out to sound like a pious 8 year old with no more regard for the world than he has for an anthill full of ants to burn with a magnifying glass. I question the personal integrity of anyone willing to support such a God. I wouldn't even if the Bible was known to be true. And if that selfish 8 year old had any hand in the writing of the Bible I would question its integrity as well.
The only thing worse than this all powerful being allowing or directly causing atrocities to happen is his devout followers. My daughter was pretty horribly terrorized by a-hole Christian kids at school. We're not even really atheists, we don't have the answer. I've encouraged her to figure out what makes sense to her. I've sent her to church with friends and family.
I know, TL;DR. So Cliffs:
Importance of religion vs. IQ pretty solidly shows that the smarter you are the less you care about religion.
People not understanding science is the only way science generally would lead someone to believe in a higher power.
Angry rant from me at the end about how terrible God is if he exists because the Bible squarely portrays him as an a-hole.
Then I read faith's copypasta. I'm admittedly angry as I write this.
Originally Posted by 187sks' timestamp='1367441815' post='683443
Because science.
I would actually say quite the opposite. I think science is turning many towards God. Sure there was the dark ages when man was dumb, hard-headed, and lacking in faith and pretty much just beleived what their dad or religious leaders told them and anything contrary was heresy. I don't mean those times. But the more science reveals, the more is confirmed with what the Bible says, but not just the Bible or Christianity, the more it leads people to believe in an intelligent designer, a creator or all things, would be much more logical than a random chance and rediciulosuly high (almost higher than we can count) odds of probability.
We just recently discovered the fairyfly, it is a 250 micron long fly thing, and it doesn't have wings like traditional aviation theory, it has wierd paint brush like wings which since it is so small has something to do with turbulence or something. But as smart as we are, we are just nw discovering these things, who knows what else we will find.
Comets, where do they come from. According to science, they lose 2% of their mass every revolution and if the theories (NOT to be confused with sicence fact) say the universe is so old, comets couldn't exsist. So where to do comets coem from? Well since science needs to have an aswer to anything, they say it is from this 'Oort' cloud sphere. The sphere was named after the astronomer Jan Oort who hypothesized its existence in 1950. Although its existence has NOY yet been proven through direct observation, the reality of the Oort Cloud is WIDELY ACCEPTED in the scientific community. Jsut like macro evolution. No proof, but theories, theories that require more faith to belive than religions do. The typical, "hey we don't have an answer for something, we can't explain it, so let's use math and science to speculate and push it so firmly, people actualy think it is a fact and to argue it means they have little intellect.
Though I am sure some may see me as a crazy person, I see God every day in mulitple ways. Whether it is random acts of kindness, or helping me through circumstances, or the little seemingly 'pointless' things like the fairy flys or flowers, or in the science of how the moon comes up and the purpose of the moon. All the things that had to occur to make life possible on this planet. With all the billions of stars and galaxies out there, the 'random' chance that the sun could be just far enough to not boil water, and not close enough to freeze it all, the moon is just close enough to provide a tide, but not close enough to flood the earth. The fact that we can adapt to our surroundings, I don't mean becoming a new species (which is a theory, unproven), but adapting as the same species. As the sun sets and rises, creating temperature differences and the earth rotates creates pressure changes and wind, the wind that blow enough to create weather trends which give plants water, not too strong to created 24/7 hurrucane and no life possibilities, not so weak so that weather can't move. Not just the heat of the sun, but the size of it and gravity, not to strong to crush bones, but not so weak we don't develope muscles 'fighting' it as we move throughout the day. The grand things of this universe, all the way down to the smallest things, like finger prints and retinas, how they are all individual and unique.
I work with science and scientists daily. Most scientists that I know don't take the "scientific" teachings of the Bible as fact even if they are religious. Most people are beyond scientifically illiterate. The average person is a moron, and half of the people are stupider than that. I have to explain simple chemistry to these people and I might as well be performing a magic trick in front of them. They stand there, mouth agape in disbelief. I have zero faith in humanity left. But, my assertion that intelligent people don't take religion seriously is a proven fact, not something that I have convinced myself of since I'm not religious.
That trend is pretty downward.
I believe you're confusing scientific discoveries that we don't have an answer for as evidence supporting intelligent design. It is neither. It is neutral information.
It is not scientifically accepted that comets lose 2% of their mass every orbit around the sun. That varies depending on the orbit and composition of the individual comets. The external composition of a comet with frequent passes by the sun also changes from pass to pass because more of the material which is easily subject to sublimation is removed while less volatile materials remain. Also, comets could possibly pick up material while in the outer solar system. We don't currently have any way of knowing how dense the material is outside of the areas cleared by the planets, but it is feasible that a comet could pick up a significant amount of material on its way through.
The Oort cloud is effectively real, however it's composition and density are unknown. It's a region too far out for us to know much about, but even if all that inhabits this zone is a few comets with elliptical orbits (unlikely) then the Oort cloud would still technically exist. It is highly likely that there is a debris field surrounding the solar system, but yes, that's a theory.
None of these theories require more faith than believing in a religion. Why? Because if more data is added due to observations the theory is refined or replaced. Nobody has ever been killed because someone insulted the Oort cloud theory. Some people tend to put faith in whatever they believe to be correct, but as a whole, scientific theorems are modified as our knowledge base expands. I put faith in that SYSTEM, but I do not believe that anywhere near all of the current theories are correct. I still support the system which is based on observable data and refined through scientific principles.
I don't know if you've ever looked up, but there is a lot out there that isn't on Earth. All of the things you mention make life on Earth quite diverse and make life easier in many ways. But, it could be coincidence and I haven't seen any reason to suspect that it isn't. It also might be great for life on Earth, but that may not be the only type of life which is possible. On Titan, there are liquid rivers, lakes, and arguably small seas. There is weather, including an evaporation driven rain cycle. All of this happens at -180 degrees Celsius. The liquids are hydrocarbons instead of dihydrogen monoxide, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility that life could exist without water, based around another solvent. The conditions on Earth are often extreme and inhospitable, yet everywhere we look for it we find life adapted to the conditions. From the superheated volcanic vents on the ocean floors to floating in the frigid troposphere high above the planet wherever we look there is life. Many microorganisms from Earth would be capable of living on various other bodies in the solar system, so even if they are currently barren, their conditions are not too inhospitable for even life as we know it to exist.
I have never, not even once, had someone with a science based education tell me that the more they learned about science the more intelligent design made sense. What I do hear is that it makes people with the knowledge to be able to do so want to look for the answers to the mysteries of the universe. Science does not have all of the answers. Not even close.
I do hear people who don't have any real scientific knowledge use their ignorant interpretation of science as a reason that their religious beliefs are reinforced. They don't know what they're talking about.
Religion: Here is your answer to everything. You don't have to understand anything.
Science: Here is our understanding of everything. We don't give you definite answers about anything.
Originally Posted by 187sks' timestamp='1367441815' post='683443
If you weren't told repeatedly during your formative years that everything around you was created a few thousand years ago by some guy (who also appeared from nothing apparently) that is not a logical conclusion to come to.
If you weren't told repeatedly during your formative years that everything around evolved, that is not a logical conclusion to come to.
That works both ways.....
The Earth is roughly spherical and is orbiting a much more massive sphere called the sun, with a much smaller sphere orbiting us called the moon which appears to us as almost the same size in the sky as the sun from our vantage point would also not be a logical conclusion to come to all on your own without someone telling you that it is the case, then showing you the proof. But that's the thing about science, you don't HAVE to take anything on faith because someone said so. You don't have to look at evolution as a fact. It's difficult to prove due to time constraints. Darwin's finches come pretty close to proving it, evolving enough to be nearly unrecognizable as related to the original finches to arrive in the Galapagos. The arctic terns blur the line between species in an interesting way, all able to breed with the populations nearest themselves but not with more distant populations.
Originally Posted by 187sks' timestamp='1367441815' post='683443
For me personally it just doesn't make any sense, at all, to think that everything in the entire universe was created by some unseen entity. That doesn't seem likely or logical and nothing even bordering on reasonable evidence to support this has been presented. I'm not truly an atheist though, I just don't know how the universe got to the current configuration. It could possibly have been created by something, but I don't think that's the most likely scenario.
The people who were raised religious and stay religious purley based on their upbringing can be quite scary. They are full out brainwashed (by definition) and have not thought for themselves nor know what their actually religious book preaches, they just do what others told them to do (hence braing washed). Though some are raised religous and then chose for themselves to remain religioug becuase they chose to, not just due to their upbrining. I guess a sub cat C.
If you don't believe in the Bible stories that is one thing. But conceptually or objectively, if you knew what the Bible says (not what man portrayed it to say), what it actually says and the wisdom in it, and the love shown in it, you would have to think that if the Bible were real, that is some powerful love. Most kings or princes are held to high esteem and treated as royalty, rarely would they live as a commoner given the choice, or even as a servant. And some would people die fro their family or friends, though would anyone die for their enemy too? Leave the comfort of a perfect utopia to go to a place like earth with heartache and evil and selfishness and pain, and suffering, to show an example of how to live life, and then take credit for all of their bad things and pay the debt for thosee? Hopefully there are some Christians out there to show that love to people and THAT is how they will see God, not through science or evidence or miracles, but through God's love being shown, that is how I hope all will know of God and seek Him. Sure I have an intellectual side and enjoy and debate and really don't see a more logical way, and the amazing things of this world scream of a God who created it all. But that isn't how I would like to make known Gods exsistance.
The only thing worse than this all powerful being allowing or directly causing atrocities to happen is his devout followers. My daughter was pretty horribly terrorized by a-hole Christian kids at school. We're not even really atheists, we don't have the answer. I've encouraged her to figure out what makes sense to her. I've sent her to church with friends and family.
I know, TL;DR. So Cliffs:
Importance of religion vs. IQ pretty solidly shows that the smarter you are the less you care about religion.
People not understanding science is the only way science generally would lead someone to believe in a higher power.
Angry rant from me at the end about how terrible God is if he exists because the Bible squarely portrays him as an a-hole.
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Belief in a an omnipotent being is as illogical today as the idea of interstellar travel was to people 150 years ago.
If you try to apply logic to the situation a lot of things make no sense.
Most will probably think I'm crazy, but I'll share a story that helped redefine my belief system.
After my grandmother died, we were loading the car getting ready for a trip to Ohio to bury her ashes in her home town. My parents had just put the top up on their Sebring but left both windows down. We all came outside and found a Male cardinal sitting on the center back seat of the car, just standing there, very calm even as we all approached. He stood there for a quite while and then flew off. In life my grandmother love cardinals and had lots of art of them around her house. Logically there is no reason for a bird to fly into a car at an angle which would put it in the back seat, especially with only the front 2 windows down. Call it a coincidence if you choose, but it my mind there is no doubt what that meant.
Its in no way proof the Earth is 5000 years old and built in a day, it is however an interesting clue to the mystery that is life as a whole.
I'll add this to the mix:
Many people agree that faster than light travel is impossible. Yet we have potential life supporting worlds light-years enough from us that given this true, we'll never be able to visit these plants. Is this a modern tower of babel?
I personally see light speed as just another goal. If it were a constant than maybe, but this is far from the case. There is no reason that religion and science can't coexist. Historical religious text is an argument for another day, proven science is hardly inadmissible.
If you try to apply logic to the situation a lot of things make no sense.
Most will probably think I'm crazy, but I'll share a story that helped redefine my belief system.
After my grandmother died, we were loading the car getting ready for a trip to Ohio to bury her ashes in her home town. My parents had just put the top up on their Sebring but left both windows down. We all came outside and found a Male cardinal sitting on the center back seat of the car, just standing there, very calm even as we all approached. He stood there for a quite while and then flew off. In life my grandmother love cardinals and had lots of art of them around her house. Logically there is no reason for a bird to fly into a car at an angle which would put it in the back seat, especially with only the front 2 windows down. Call it a coincidence if you choose, but it my mind there is no doubt what that meant.
Its in no way proof the Earth is 5000 years old and built in a day, it is however an interesting clue to the mystery that is life as a whole.
I'll add this to the mix:
Many people agree that faster than light travel is impossible. Yet we have potential life supporting worlds light-years enough from us that given this true, we'll never be able to visit these plants. Is this a modern tower of babel?
I personally see light speed as just another goal. If it were a constant than maybe, but this is far from the case. There is no reason that religion and science can't coexist. Historical religious text is an argument for another day, proven science is hardly inadmissible.
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The idea of interstellar travel was not illogical 150 years ago. There is artwork depicting interstellar travel much older than 150 years.
Yes, alot of things make no sense. Science trys to make sense of these things. Religion says it doesn't need to make sense, just accept it. Intelligent thought seeks answers, it doesn't accept what it's told on faith.