Slavery is not why the South seceded. The South seceded because they believed that the state government should be stronger that the federal government. Yes slavery was a issue that the South thought States should be able to choose if it would be allowed, but it was not the reason for secession.

 

^yes, you got it right!



ahah! you automatically link my statement to slavery, yet i didn't write or express a single word or thought about slavery.
hush if we keep discussing this, someone from rdtiburon will come along get the wrong idea. i just point out the faults of the emancipation proclamation, the industrialized North over-empowerment of the South, and other boring undramatic stuff i think the South had a right to be upset about.

as far as slavery goes, i don't think that that's the only reason the South was in rebellion nor why the rebellion was so massive. i think it's part of the reason, but it was just about power. let's not compare that power to today's power like Google, McDonalds, or Microsoft stock. During the 1850's, the Southern economy and military heavily depended on slave labor. that power came from farms. the emancipation proclimation meant their loss of power, regardless. sure, i compare it to feudalism because the same thing happened in Europe for 500 years. the confederacy was an act against an over-powering industrialized wealth regime. That is what books say, that is what historians agree on, and that is what I think regardless of slavery, race, or any of those broad terms.

by the way i think the confederacy, and the confederate flag today are totally misrepresented and taken out of context by today's youth and new generation. it was strictly about power, in the same way power was distributed during feudalism, and rest of the world a thousand years before. race was only an excuse for labor, and an excuse confederate power, which is why it is intolerable.

for the record, i am anti-drugs, anti-smoking, anti-drinking.

 

HA! the reason for all the anger.

 

beer the cause and solution to all of lifes problems

 

http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html#Texas

Try to count how many times the word "slave" appears in these declarations... almost every single paragraph is about slavery in some way or another


Excerpt from the Vice-President of the Confederacy's "cornerstone speech":



Who wrote the history books you guys read?

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10104/1050104-374.stm
http://www.theatlantic.com/culture/archive...-slavery/16712/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origins_of_th...rican_Civil_War

 

^you have a valid argument, one that is debated all the time. perhaps we can both agree in saying the Union was solely about abolishing slavery, and the Confederacy was about keeping their power.

Taken from that document itself, they use slavery as an example, and then proceed with: "The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power"

As you can see, it's about Confederate concern over power, control. I think it's safe to say that racism existed on a lower level, such as a confederate soldier, a school teacher, or some farmer, but on the grand scale I truly don't think that highly educated confederates of such knowledge, would take arms because of equality, but rather a threat to their own existence and rights, which is what the Union was.



hahaha yeah that is very true!!!! i'm never angry, upset, or personal. perhaps it appears that way in writing. i just have respect for things that come before me, whether it means respecting a Fiat 126 () for keeping a whole betrayed and burnt to the ground country alive for 50 years more than some dumb Ferrari never did, or holding a door for a DDay vet. most people would choose the Ferrari.

 

Love debatable topics!!! laugh.gif

 

Texas isn't 'the South, Texas is Texas. Also, 'the South' didn't secede. The Confederate States of America, which was comprised of eleven southern states, seceded. As for history books, did yours teach you that every southerner owned slaves and that every slave was black? If so, you didn't receive an education rather what you got instead was a brain washing.

 

Neither since my family was in Québec at the time, but the north if I lived where I do now.

North didn't want the south to secede for economic reasons, from what I remember in school.

 

i wonder if radu realizes that the texas declaration of causes of secession was made 15 YEARS before the civil war

or that the north had slaves also

or the fact that the emancipation proclamation only freed slaves in the SOUTH...you know the place that had already succeeded from the union?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emancipation_Proclamation

it was such a stupid war really over useless bullshit if people wouldve only paid attention the the fact that jefferson said THAT ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL none of this sh*t wouldve happened

the north didnt win and the south didnt lose we all lost over 500K american people died

most of the wares the american people buy now ARE BEING MADE BASICALLY BY SLAVES IN CHINA and yet no one wants to do anything about it, working 12 hours a day in a sweat shop for enough money to provide rice and bread for your family


i wonder if the next civil war will be the exact OPPOSITE of the last one

oh wait the black man is already tryin to turn white middle class businessmen into slaves banana.gif banana.gif