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Health Care reform
This is just a little of what we are in for now that Obamacare got passed highlights from a concerned judge in Texas
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
"I have reviewed selected sections of the bill, and find it unbelievable that our Congress, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, could come up with a bill loaded with so many wrong-headed elements."
"Both Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the financial mess of both Social Security and Medicare programs."
"I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons. To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required to administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let's put them to work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out there."
JUDGE KITHIL continued: "Other problems I have with this bill include:
** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).
** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)
** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.
** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.
** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counceling.)
** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:
"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
Honorable David Kithil
Marble Falls , Texas
JUDGE KITHIL wrote:
"I have reviewed selected sections of the bill, and find it unbelievable that our Congress, led by Speaker Nancy Pelosi, could come up with a bill loaded with so many wrong-headed elements."
"Both Republicans and Democrats are equally responsible for the financial mess of both Social Security and Medicare programs."
"I am opposed to HB 3200 for a number of reasons. To start with, it is estimated that a federal bureaucracy of more than 150,000 new employees will be required to administer HB3200. That is an unacceptable expansion of a government that is already too intrusive in our lives. If we are going to hire 150,000 new employees, let's put them to work protecting our borders, fighting the massive drug problem and putting more law enforcement/firefighters out there."
JUDGE KITHIL continued: "Other problems I have with this bill include:
** Page 50/section 152: The bill will provide insurance to all non-U.S. residents, even if they are here illegally.
** Page 58 and 59: The government will have real-time access to an individual's bank account and will have the authority to make electronic fund transfers from those accounts.
** Page 65/section 164: The plan will be subsidized (by the government) for all union members, union retirees and for community organizations (such as the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now - ACORN).
** Page 203/line 14-15: The tax imposed under this section will not be treated as a tax. (How could anybody in their right mind come up with that?)
** Page 241 and 253: Doctors will all be paid the same regardless of specialty, and the government will set all doctors' fees.
** Page 272. section 1145: Cancer hospital will ration care according to the patient's age.
** Page 317 and 321: The government will impose a prohibition on hospital expansion; however, communities may petition for an exception.
** Page 425, line 4-12: The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counceling.)
** Page 429, line 13-25: The government will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.
HAD ENOUGH???? Judge Kithil then goes on:
"Finally, it is specifically stated that this bill will not apply to members of Congress. Members of Congress are already exempt from the Social Security system, and have a well-funded private plan that covers their retirement needs. If they were on our Social Security plan, I believe they would find a very quick 'fix' to make the plan financially sound for their future."
Honorable David Kithil
Marble Falls , Texas
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As I mentioned on RDT:
The State of Tennessee offers programs ("TennCare") for those with low income or no health insurance. We don't need a federal program, though we'll have to pay for it. I know a few people who are taking advantage of it, my sister being one.
Caterpillar Corporate Headquarters are in Nashville. They estimate this new health bill will cost them at least $100,000,000 the first year. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/19...t+-+Politics%29
The added costs may result in laying off MORE workers to sustain profit.
For those who don't like Fox News... here's the same article from WSJ and Marketwatch
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0269204470.html
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/caterpill...lion-2010-03-20
From the MarketWatch article:
"A letter Thursday to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed. "
The State of Tennessee offers programs ("TennCare") for those with low income or no health insurance. We don't need a federal program, though we'll have to pay for it. I know a few people who are taking advantage of it, my sister being one.
Caterpillar Corporate Headquarters are in Nashville. They estimate this new health bill will cost them at least $100,000,000 the first year. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/19...t+-+Politics%29
The added costs may result in laying off MORE workers to sustain profit.
For those who don't like Fox News... here's the same article from WSJ and Marketwatch
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142405...0269204470.html
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/caterpill...lion-2010-03-20
From the MarketWatch article:
"A letter Thursday to President Barack Obama and members of Congress signed by more than 130 economists predicted the legislation would discourage companies from hiring more workers and would cause reduced hours and wages for those already employed. "
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QUOTE (i8acobra @ Mar 22 2010, 01:23 PM)
Gee, a judge in backasswards Texas doesn't like a government program... shocker.
Yes, cause the state with 3 of the top 10 largest US cities wouldn't care about such trivial matters. headshake.gif
I'm surprised the Pony Express got this news out to your desert town this quickly.
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^hahaha. you won't care if you flee to Europe. we could be neighbors in Paris, have champagne on our balconies and you'll go to the local cafe under the apartment and send me girls while you dance the night awa... ah it was a good thought.
WTF is this. the world is getting more and more retarded as we speak. if the world is this retarded, how am i so filthy poor?
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The government mandates advance-care planning consultations. Those on Social Security will be required to attend an "end-of-life planning" seminar every five years. (Death counceling.)
WTF is this. the world is getting more and more retarded as we speak. if the world is this retarded, how am i so filthy poor?
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QUOTE (JonGTR @ Mar 22 2010, 11:41 AM)
Yes, cause the state with 3 of the top 10 largest US cities wouldn't care about such trivial matters. headshake.gif
... and the sooner we give them back to Mexico, the better.
I find it humorous how many people I see complaining about socialism and in the very next breath talk about "fleeing" to Canada or Europe.
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To the OP - those "facts" are just lies which you took as truth without verifying and now are bestowing upon us
I checked a couple before I got bored. Here is a pdf with the bill. The page# and article#s match but the facts are just bullshit
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Pres...0714/aahca.pdf
Page 50/section 152 does not say or imply anything about illegals
Page 272. section 1145 no mention of age or "rationing" enything
Page 429, line 13-25 - just bullshit, taking advantage of simple minded folk who can't understand legalese..
Page 203/line 14-15 - cutting out the main part of a sentence.. REALLY? Original sentence is: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING THE AMOUNT OF ANY CREDIT UNDER THIS CHAPTER or for purposes of section 55."
This kind of complete and utter bullshit is representative of what is in the minds of a lot of the people who are dead-seat against this bill (and really anything the current government would ever do). There could be legitimate complaints, but instead most people are just talking idiotic bullshit and throwing around words like "socialism" or whatever
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I checked a couple before I got bored. Here is a pdf with the bill. The page# and article#s match but the facts are just bullshit
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Pres...0714/aahca.pdf
Page 50/section 152 does not say or imply anything about illegals
Page 272. section 1145 no mention of age or "rationing" enything
Page 429, line 13-25 - just bullshit, taking advantage of simple minded folk who can't understand legalese..
Page 203/line 14-15 - cutting out the main part of a sentence.. REALLY? Original sentence is: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax imposed by this chapter FOR PURPOSES OF DETERMINING THE AMOUNT OF ANY CREDIT UNDER THIS CHAPTER or for purposes of section 55."
This kind of complete and utter bullshit is representative of what is in the minds of a lot of the people who are dead-seat against this bill (and really anything the current government would ever do). There could be legitimate complaints, but instead most people are just talking idiotic bullshit and throwing around words like "socialism" or whatever
THEY TOOK OUR JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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My wife's grandmother has severe arthritis. She takes a monthly infusion of Treatment A, which helps her a lot.
She's on Medicare, and Medicare recently decided it would stop paying for Treatment A and require you to use Treatment B, because it's cheaper. Well... Treatment A worked great for her, but Treatment B doesn't do anything. Unfortunately, because of Medicare, she can't have Treatment A unless she wants to pay for it out of her pocket (can't afford it).
This is the stuff that bothers me. The government, since it's paying for the treatments, will start deciding what medicine/treatments work better (the cheaper version, of course).
According to Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=aLzfDxfbwhzs
My wife is young, but has several medical problems. She's 27, and has osteoporosis (has for 5 years), Crohn's Disease (6yrs), and 5 compression fractures in her spine. She takes tons of medicine for her conditions. I'm waiting to see how hard this affects her.
She's on Medicare, and Medicare recently decided it would stop paying for Treatment A and require you to use Treatment B, because it's cheaper. Well... Treatment A worked great for her, but Treatment B doesn't do anything. Unfortunately, because of Medicare, she can't have Treatment A unless she wants to pay for it out of her pocket (can't afford it).
This is the stuff that bothers me. The government, since it's paying for the treatments, will start deciding what medicine/treatments work better (the cheaper version, of course).
According to Bloomberg: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=206...id=aLzfDxfbwhzs
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One new bureaucracy, the National Coordinator of Health Information Technology, will monitor treatments to make sure your doctor is doing what the federal government deems appropriate and cost effective. The goal is to reduce costs and “guide” your doctor’s decisions (442, 446). These provisions in the stimulus bill are virtually identical to what Daschle prescribed in his 2008 book, “Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis.” According to Daschle, doctors have to give up autonomy and “learn to operate less like solo practitioners.”
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Hospitals and doctors that are not “meaningful users” of the new system will face penalties. “Meaningful user” isn’t defined in the bill. That will be left to the HHS secretary, who will be empowered to impose “more stringent measures of meaningful use over time” (511, 518, 540-541)
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The Federal Council is modeled after a U.K. board discussed in Daschle’s book. This board approves or rejects treatments using a formula that divides the cost of the treatment by the number of years the patient is likely to benefit. Treatments for younger patients are more often approved than treatments for diseases that affect the elderly, such as osteoporosis.
My wife is young, but has several medical problems. She's 27, and has osteoporosis (has for 5 years), Crohn's Disease (6yrs), and 5 compression fractures in her spine. She takes tons of medicine for her conditions. I'm waiting to see how hard this affects her.
