faithofadragon

yeah i know...sh*t happens



at least my max had a 6 speed

JonGTR

I was tired of the manual shifter also. Like I said, I now drive 42 miles one way in traffic. Shifting through traffic is NOT my idea of fun. It doesn't become "sporty" anymore. When I put the Avalon in sport mode, it's instant take off! Just like having a manual, if not faster. Also has paddle shifters if I really cared to use them. But, I don't.

Tibbi

JonGTR

That's why I still have the RD Tiburon.

Tibbi

Fair enough.





But on a serious note we tried that with the Accent and I just found that I can't stand autos, even shiftronics. I prefer to have full control of the shifter for fuel economy and easy overtaking. Even the shiftronics are slow when I really want an immediate kick. It just comes down to preference I'll accept the hassle in traffic for the control I get over more of the vehicle.

JonGTR

So, you gave an automatic a try in a Hyundai and therefore concluded that autos suck?







When I hit the sport mode in the Avalon, my auto shifts instantly with plenty of power.

faithofadragon

not only just a hyundai. but the cheapest model hyundai at that.



ive driven some GOOD automatics before but will always prefer a stick.

Tibbi

I've driven tons of cars with autos, that was just the one that solidified the verdict. My 07 was a stick and was a joy to drive, but having the auto directly afterwards really made it a dog to drive at times. My 944 had a 968 6 speed, a friend of mine had a 968 cabrio with the tiptronic, and I'm sorry especially for a Porsche transmission, that thing was total crap and shifted so sporadically. Even the 987 Cayman's Tiptronic, for as much as people wanted to shout it's praises, was sh*t under real stress. It took the dual clutch to fix that. I've driven everything from Mazda to Mercedes in all kind of configs and I just hate autos. It's a control thing for me. I've never had a shiftronic that held it's value in speed against a proper H.



When I was out at Nopi a couple weeks ago I had a go in an auto R31 GTS-X.

I fell in love with the car despite the fact I hated the transmission. It held and shifted very smooth through all gears, but downshifting, while exceptional for an auto, was still more tedious than I have patience for.





Is that more valuable?