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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 08:44 PM
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i'll dispose of them properly, but dont make it out to sound like they're loaded with mercury, they have a very very small amount of mercury in them

Those are just scare tactic "facts" to deter people from buying CFL's, and the news gives these "scare stories" alot of attention because they like scaring the general public, it's good for ratings...

Heres some real facts:

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What if you drop a CFL and it breaks? How much trouble are you in?

Despite some alarming news reports, you don’t have much to worry about. If a CFL breaks, some of the mercury that’s contained in the bulb will evaporate into the air. How much? It’s hard to be certain, but one study [PDF] looking at long tubular fluorescent bulbs found that over a two week period, only 17 to 40 percent of the mercury in the bulb evaporated. The rest remained stuck in the bulb. Roughly one-third of the mercury that evaporated did so in the first eight hours after the breakage; the rest seeped out slowly over the remainder of the study period.

The amount of mercury in a CFL is very small, only 4-5 milligrams. This is almost one thousand times less than what was in mercury thermometers! So, let’s assume that what happens with CFLs is comparable to what happens with tubular fluorescents. If a bulb breaks, only 0.67 milligrams of mercury (one-third of 40 percent of 5 milligrams) might become airborne in the room during the first eight hours, and only a fraction of that would be breathed in. In short, the exposure from breaking a compact fluorescent bulb is in about the same range as the exposure from eating a can or two of tuna fish. (See our list of "Best and Worst Seafood Choices" for more on mercury in fish.)

The tiny amount of mercury you’re exposed to when breaking a CFL is extremely unlikely to cause any ill effects, noticeable or otherwise. But how do you minimize even this tiny amount of risk?

Remove children and pets from the room, and then clean up the broken bulb as quickly as possible....




http://environmentaldefenseblogs.org/clima...CFRuDkwod0Cf9Ng

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Oh and as far as credible results majik? remember im studying to be a scientist, so i'm quite anal about control studies as well. Florida is very very very temperate, all winter long I've turned the heat on maybe 4x and each time only for a few hours. And it was only to bring the temp from 65 to 70, so this would be very negligible. And the electric bill has been around 70 since ive been here most it was was 85 bucks when it was still real hot (Octoberish) and we had the AC going during the Afternoon
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 09:03 PM
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fing02.gif sounds good. I wasn't questioning you at all. I've read that one bulb can save $30 over it's normal life, so your numbers are quite representative of what I've read.

BTW... I agree that CFLs are a good thing. I haven't replaced everything in my house, but when a bulb burns out, it has been and will be replaced with CFL. I have personal feelings that if the government is pushing this so hard, they bear the responsibility of educating people and providing easy disposals of CFL.

FYI, i did a few calculations. It'd take about 9,000 bulbs to provide 1 pound of mercury. That's a lot of bulbs, but if all 10 million people in Los Angeles are required to use CFLs, that grows into a lot of mercury. We just need to make sure they can easily dispose of the bulbs.
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 09:14 PM
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Well the good way to do it would be to create a deposit of $0.50 or $1.00 that would be refunded when a CFL bulb is returned to the proper drop off facility.

And low mercury bulbs are becoming more cost effective which is good, and for the future research is progressing on LED's and other mercury-less bulbs
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 09:35 PM
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You may be able to provide better insight into this Alex... but from what I've read, the mercury vapors from CFL bulbs is Hg0... so I was searching for Hg0 studies and found something dental related:

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Haley and colleagues carried out an experimental study in rats because mercury vapour (Hg0) is continuously released from "silver" amalgam tooth fillings and is absorbed into brain. The rats were exposed to Hg0 4h/day for 0, 2, 7, 14 and 28 days at 250 or 300 micrograms Hg/m3 air, concentrations present in mouth air of some humans with many amalgam fillings.6 Average rat brain Hg concentrations increased significantly (11 -47 fold) with duration of Hg0 exposure. By day 14 Hg0 exposure, photo affinity labelling on the beta-subunit of the tubulin dimer in brain homogenates was decreased 41-74%. The identical neurochemical lesion of similar or greater magnitude is evident in Alzheimer brain homogenates from approximately 80% of patients, when compared to human age-matched neurological controls. The authors concluded that chronic inhalation of low-level Hg0 can inhibit polymerization of brain tubulin essential for formation of microtubules.

250-300 micrograms = .3mg (which is about 6% of the 5mg found in a CFL).

Of course this study involved "continuous release" and the .3mg was per hour, for 4 hours (total of 1.2mg per day?) Also, different sources, different time frames, and you aren't going to be huffing mercury if a bulb breaks... it dissipates in the air and you probably wouldn't breathe much of it at all. I'm just showing that there are definitive and measurable health problems with mercury exposure. Just gotta be careful

http://www.whale.to/a/grant.html
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/eletters/329/7466/588-b#104439

But as you stated Alex... they are coming out with CFLs with as little as 1mg of mercury, and Phillips has bulbs averaging 2-3mg currently. My bulbs are about a year old, and when I first turn the light on they're faint and yellowish - not very bright. After a few minutes they're normal, but I wouldn't use CFLs for a lamp used for reading. Not yet anyways
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Old Mar 23, 2008 | 09:46 PM
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Well, we all know the dangers of mercury poisoning, but thats not what's in question here

The point is, how much would the normal person take in when a bulb breaks. As youve stated, a very small fraction of the mercury makes it to the air, it takes 8 hours for 20-40% to vaporize and by the time the mercury vaporized it would have a very small concentration in the air.

Like the article said, even if you did stand there and breathe in the air, it would be as much mercury as a can or two of tuna.

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