I concur with you assement but do to my cold I really have been out in left feild lately with paying attention (as you can tell by the pm you sent me) but this time I will. In better terms it is the best sound sytem I have seen that is a conventional setup (meaning minus outboard amp, subs etc...) hopefully I explained myself alittle better. Let me tell ya Nyquil screws up your head big time at least mine. Sorry for not really paying closer attention to your post Dan my bad.