REDZMAN said he would make this a sticky so here it goes.

This modification is pretty simple it requires very few tools and just about 1-1.5 hrs to complete. The reason for this modification is that the emanage dose not understand the high voltage signal coming from the ecu going to the coils. This should work on any hyundai with internal transistors Tiburon elantra97-05 accent and any others with similar ecu. I did try the darlington aray and transistor pack but it had overheating issues. This is the propor way to bypass the high voltage signal as we intercept it before it jumps up. The transistors we are dealing with are PNP style meaning the far left pin is the input the middle is high voltage out and the far rigth is the highvoltage in.
Here is a pic of the pinouts we will be intercepting the low voltage input the far left pin.

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Things you will need
1 A soldering iorn
2 Some solder
3 Some flux
3 Emanage Ignition harness

You need to remove the ecu from the left hand side of the dash by the clutch pedal and above the fuse box.
You then need to bend the tabs back so you can remove the top case of the ecu. Once you have done that take out the 4 torques bit screws from the back case this will open up both sides of teh ecu and should be like this.
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Once you have the ecu accessable you will need to remove these 2 transistors that control the ignition they are sensitve to heat so a heat clip or another heat removal method should be used. take your time they are delicate.
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Once you have removed the transistor you should have somthing like this.
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I have already soldered the output wire from the emanage onto the transistor Again do this with a heat clip or other heat removal methods. The front transistor (facing away from ecu pinouts) should use the Blue wires Ch 1 the one Facing the Ecu pinouts uses the orange wires Ch 2, I dont belive this really matters as its just altering the signal somone correct me if im wrong.

Once you have soldered the wire onto the transistor then you can move to the pcb board you want to solder your wire for the input to the emanage to the far left pinhole for each transistor. Should look somthing like this.

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Once you have done this repeat to the other transistor remember the pin you are intercepting is the far left on the transisitor not on the board if you intercept the far left on the board you may fry your emanage. if you are looking at the front side of the transistor (side with writing/ black face) it is always the far left pin.

You will have to cut a small hole in the exterior of the case so the wires may exit i also recomend that you ziptie them internally so they do not break the solders you have made. use a gromet or some electrical tape at the hole so the wires are not worn through and everything should be good.

Plug harness into ecu and start the car to make sure everything is kosher before you reinstall the ecu as this will save some time if somthing isnt right. Hope this helps with the install and good luck to ya.
For any of the weak hearted out there I do this modification for 50$+shipping you can pm me anytime.

*EDITED BY REDZMAN. IT'S REDZMAN, NOT REDZMANZ. LOL*

Wow thanks a grip dude. I think this will come in very useful when we use the emanage to go out with the turbo kits. Good work.

thanx adam a BUNCH.. i am still waiting on my ECU, as soon as i get it i will send that and the ignition harness to you so i can get my ignition going.. your are da man..

hopefully you come back to this topic... a lil off topic here, but do u still have those stock rods and an extra head laying around, so i can get those shipped back with the ECU and harness, thanx..

Great job bro. I edited your thread so that the pics are uploaded to the site, so they don't get lost or go "Down".

We will move this to the DIY section, and add to the listing.

Very good job.

Thank you redZman, sorry about hte location didnt think much of it when i first did the writeup anyway good luck to ya.

i un-stickied this, but added it to the DIY listing(in the sticky section of the DIY forum) under power adders/extreme mods so it will be easily accesable for everyone who needs it.

i just dont think we need individual DIYs stickied in the DIY section. it will start to get cluttered.

Good job, I just stickied it for you so it wouldn't get lost.

Maybe I didn't catch something, but what exactly does this mod do? What are the benifits and such.
If worth while, I may try it.

In the past when this mod was unknown it was impossible to get the igntion control for the emanage/eu to work with our ignition system due to diffrent/wrong signals going into the emanage that it didnt like. So i just went before it changed it to a weird signal so that it could be used. Now that ignition is working we have a piggyback computer that will be capable of enormous things. Even better the new ultimate is out will be tesing within 2 weeks and this is capable of even more. Lets put it this way its about as close to a full standalone as we can get.

Also i have found one other thing that needs to be done with the stock ecu I dont know if its somthing to do with the emanage signals going into the ecu or what but it dosnt make sense to me but after driving for about 2 hrs the car likes to die, I have found this to be due to overheating of the ecu and in 5 min after so it will start again. If i leave the ecu out on the floorboard where cool air can get to it I HAVE NO ISSUES its when its up under the dash that i have these problems. I purchased a small radioshack fan to install in the caseing of the ecu to prevent this problem, and HAVE NOT had any issues since. Again i dont know if its a one time deal with just my ecu or if everyone is going to have these issues and i dont know what is causing this but i do know the fix. Anyway if anyone with some electronics background has an osiliscope to take a look at the signal and see what it is go for it other than that i just say stick a fan in the case and dont bother. And other than this little hicup everything works great ignition pulls just like its supposed to and car runs great.

i'm working on something for the ignition,if results are good you'll have news of it before the end of the week
it should be an easier fix then opening up the computer

Whatever you guys find out, I'd love permission to post this info on the site for future tuners who buy a turbo kit, or simply the Emanage from FlyRyde. Thanks guys.

It will probley be an add on box similar to the transistor pack and darlington array setup but with diffrent components. I would say its going to be a purchase only from denisst thing.

nah, no transistors pack to get/find and no darlingtons
just something plain simple
your way with the computer is ok but i really want something simplier/user friendly

Im interested but how are you going to do this without using a darlington array? From what I know the emanage simply cannot understand our ignition signal its impossible, You must use some sort of signal modifier (darlington aray or some other form) then you must be able to reproduce the stock signal after you have altered the ignition timing. The only other way that you can possibley alter timing is with the crank angle signal if this is the method you are looking at dont do it there are a few reasons why 1 there is more than 1 signal wire coming from our sending unit its a polarity thing so when the sensor trips it reverses polarity or somthing like that. 2nd we cant pull more than 7deg of ignition timing before the cam and crank angle dont line up and boom CEL. 3rd if you pull timing out via cas you also retard the fuel injection they are both controled by the cas the cam angle sensor is just there to check that the timing is right. If you can give a some more insight on this let us know I am interested too.

let me try it on my car first then if it works like planned you'll all get the scoop ;-)

i'm a bit late on this one
but magic box seams to work very fine for now, doing some final testing for now but everything seam to work like planned
BTW this is with the SMT-6 wich is similar to the e-manage

magic box?

wtf mate?

well call it an ignition add on box if you prefer ;-)
we also have an ECU take over box if you want ;-)

Yes an external box will be nice for people not wanting to use the additional injector map and on the ultimate this dose away with over half the nice features. I need to find a solution to the injector delema with the injectors going to 100%duty cycle. Now if you could incoporate somthing like that into your box that would make it an nice easy fix. I still belive it would be better to go inside the ecu and modify the signal before with less electronics due to dwell. The less items the less dwell and the less chance of things being off. Im going to be working on a way to fix the injector issue inside the ecu this way there is no external wiring and a nice clean install. good work though.

dweel is not an issue here,
timing and ingnition coil dweel is spot on to factory specs,it's one of the reason why it took longuer to develop
in your case i recall you had ecu over heathing problem,i'm mostly sure it was the ignition drivers working too too hard becasue of the e-manage

i don't loose the extra injecor function with the ignition add on box (at least on the smt-6) it should be the same for the e-manage
for your extra injectors problem i'll have top put my hands on an e-manage and see what's happening

I have 2 questions to make things clear.

1. If I use SMT6, do I need to do ignition fix?

2. Does Siemens (MAP based ECU) need the ignition fix?

all hyundai ecus use the same ignition system just diffrent air measurement systems.

The smt6 dosnt have ignition problems from what i have heard denist is just using it as a test as if it works there it shoudl work elsewhere?

Denist the injector problem has nothing to do with the emanage itself its internally inside the ecu with the transitor array used to trigger the injectors for some reason when it sees a grounding signal from the injector wire it triggers too. What we need is to eliminate the transistor array and use 4 transistors to fire the injectors im not an electrician so i dont know what type or how to build the circut bord needed. it will still be a problem with yoru ignition box as ignition and the injector problem are not directly related. Dwel is allways an issue with electronics the only way to find out what it actually is to actually scope it with a osiliscope. When your tuning 6500rpm miliseconds of dwell come into play read up on it. The greddy emanage even has a built in dwell compensation for larger injectors so if dwell isnt an issue why would they incorporate that? You also need to test your box out on an emanage and check to make sure that everything is up to snuff as if its not you will to run into problems. Also i have installed a small cpu fan on my stock ecu and not once has it overheated.

t4turbotiburon: I actually tried to read the above text 3-4 times to try to understand what exactly is the problem you're experiencing. I cant. Try to be clearer.

What do you want to do exactly, and what is your problem? You want to add pulses to the stock injectors? You want to control additionnal injectors?

As for that...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Denist the injector problem has nothing to do with the emanage itself its internally inside the ecu with the transitor array used to trigger the injectors for some reason when it sees a grounding signal from the injector wire it triggers too.</div>

I don't understand what the problem is. You DO know that the ECU sends a GROUND signal to the injectors to fire them, right? So of course if you put the injector wire to ground, it will fire it 31.gif

As for a probable dwell "issue" with any of Denis/AtelierHP box, only know that the person who develops those boxes is very, VERY good at developping electronics for cars. You won't teach him nothing, Denis won't and I won't neither. If they release the said box, it will already have been tested and proved to be working exactly as expected.

What is going on with the injectors is when you use the emanage to add additional time to the stock injectors, (external grounding of injector wires) It for some reason triggers the ecu too. Again it has nothing to do with the emanage or igntion problem/fix. My guess its its getting some residual feedback and somehow triggering the transistor inside our stock ecu causing it to go to 100% duty cycle. Now with the emanage ultimate the additional injection harness is routed through the emanage not just T'd like the blue. With this scenario the stock ecu triggers the injectors all the time even with the car not running. Also this could be some sort of safty feature built into our ecu for shorts in injector wires? just a thought. But if someone could figure out how to setup the ignition fix and injector fix inside 1 unit with little extra wiring that would do it otherwise the emanage ultimate is almost useless just stay with the blue.

if it's what i think that could be fixed,but to be sure i'll have to put my hands on an ultimate....

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Great job bro. I edited your thread so that the pics are uploaded to the site, so they don't get lost or go "Down".</div>

How bout that smile.gif Any chance we could get those pictures refreshed or something?

he wont be on here much, hes really busy, ill give him a call next week, maybe monday and see if he can refresh the pics or send them to me..

i have his modded ECU right now, so if you want, i could take it apart, and take pics where the wires are soldered in. this ECU is off of his car, but he didnt need it when he went standalone, so just lemme know, and ill try and get some pics up, and do some reverse engineering type stuff, for the DIY.

See I wouldnt want you to do that kinda work for me and then not use it, im just searching around on wether or not to go standalone or piggyback. I just wanted to get an idea of what kinda work im looking at toget piggyback to work.

the box we made give us ful lignition control
so far it works nicely with th smt-6 but i didn't try one with an e-manage
computer isn't overheathing also ;-)

stop bragging, and let me try it out for the emanage.. lol.. i have my lil fan wizard, and it would be nicer to have the 'black ign. box'

i'll try to get a look at the e-manage ignition settings,i'm not sure it has some of the functions we have with the smt-6 thinkerg.gif

heh, emanage PWNs your lil smt 6 tongue.gif.. lemme know if you need any info from me, or if i can show, or get you any info from the emange, cuz i would really like one of those ignition boxes to give me a lil piece of mind.

well if you have this handy, get me all the stuff about their ignition setting system
inputs,ouputs,polarities....

I recently bought an E-Manage Blue for the purpose of adding more fuel. I have reached my MAP limit on the SMT-6, so I thought that the E-Manage's Additional Injection Function would cure this.

Problem is though, whenever I hook up any of the injectors on the E-Manage, the injectors seem to go to 100% duty cycle the minute I connect them. This happens without even entering any value at the Additional Injection Map. The injectors I have used are 440cc one on the stock rail.

I have a Siemens MAP based ECU by the way

Any form of help would be greatly appreciated.

yeah, i would have done some more research before you bought it.. thats a problem that everyone has with the emanage.. i tried wiring it up like 4 different ways and it would ALWAYS go 100% duty cycle and it would just bog down.. the only thing i can think of is adding injectors and using the sub injector map..

i know denist has a injector fix for the SMT6 which would have fixed your problem.. what you NEED is a better MAP sensor, like a 3 bar sensor, and you should have been fine..

i have the emanage set up, but without either the ignition fix or injector problem fixed.. i am just adding fuel via another set of injectors using a MAP sensor.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (SOCKS @ Jan 13 2008, 02:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>yeah, i would have done some more research before you bought it.. thats a problem that everyone has with the emanage.. i tried wiring it up like 4 different ways and it would ALWAYS go 100% duty cycle and it would just bog down.. the only thing i can think of is adding injectors and using the sub injector map..

i know denist has a injector fix for the SMT6 which would have fixed your problem.. what you NEED is a better MAP sensor, like a 3 bar sensor, and you should have been fine..

i have the emanage set up, but without either the ignition fix or injector problem fixed.. i am just adding fuel via another set of injectors using a MAP sensor.</div>


Someone in hyundaiperformance.com told me that the problem is the ECU detecting something else grounding the injector. They said that the fix would be adding diodes to prevent the current from going back to the ECU.