I have Kumho 712's on my car and they are FAR better than stock. The treadwear is 270 I think, compared to 440 or something for the Michelin's, but at $70 each I am willing to put up with that for the better performance.

 

kuhmos arent bad at all especialy for the price but they don't hold up so well as compaired to other hi performance tires.

Yoko avs es 100's are one of the best tires yokohama makes and personaly i find they grip better then kuhmo's. as for directional tires out of all i would recommend toyo proxies zr-1's a little pricey but by fare the best in most conditions i've ever experienced. as for over all best tire for the buck in terms of grip and price. falcon azenis sports are definately there and most widely used through out solo 2 as well.

 

Generally speaking, no tire with a treadwear superior than 220 could be considered "sporty".
Of course there is a compromise between grip, wear and all weather capability, but the gripiest tire will allways be a dry tire with a low treadwear, and that is just because it would made of a softer compund.
That kind of tire is made to grip, not to last. Manufacturers make tires for people who want Grip OR Durability OR wet/snow capability, the rest are just compromises where you loose something to get something else.
Depends on what you want from a tire to say it's good.

Here the OEM tire size was 205/50 15" and OEM tires were Michelin Pilot SX (take special note on the "S") and those where some tires, too expensive though, like 190 each. Another really amazing tire was the Bridgestone Potenza Kai it had a treadwear of 160 and was really sticky and dry pavement only.

 

Yokohoma AS430's out due alot of tires even the kumho's i have the 430's on there 205-40-17 3 times better than the 711,712, and dont get me start on those toyo's lol you must work for TK (Tire Kingdom) same with me 17's retail is about $117 but we only pay $53 for them they are one of the best tires around, only TK has them by the way . We have a account with acura,honda and we replace all the tires on the CL model's,etc so that tell's you there good, and Sparticus also the hydroedges cup alot faster too, i have had people come threw and Rot/Bal/Alig even shocks all the time and they still cup. Dont get me wrong Michelin is the #1 tire, but i have seen the Michelin's wear faster than the yoko's, but again it all depends how u take care of ur tires.

 

ok i would like to retact my previous statment of lower the number the longer they last. The only reason i was arguing was because that is what my boss told me, turns out he was FVCKING WIT ME!! he thought it was kinda funny. Anyways, i can admit when i'm wrong. and i was.

 

lol. retraction accepted

your boss is a douche tongue.gif

 

First, treadwear are brand specific. A 200 treadwear from Dunlop doesn't mean the same thing as a 200 from MIchelin for example. You can only compare Dunlop to Dunlop and Michelin to Michelin. It gives an indication but it's not precice whan you compare accross diferent brands.

Second, LEARN about tires before making remarks. There is no way a tire can be good in snow, rain and dry condition. A dry tire will never have the same tread/composition/dimension as a snow or rain tire. Tires are compromises. In general, the more specific a tire is, the more performance you will get in that condition.

Third, if you want a tire that will last longer without losing some performance, forget it. It is fundamentally impossible. The lower the treadwear, the more sticky/soft is the rubber and the more it will wear since it is softer.

 

Would you know how that is regulated? I understand it's a test instituted by the DOT (Department Of Transportation) so customers would know how much a tire would last. The whole test is supossed to be taken on pre-established conditions. A 100 Treadwear would indicat that the tire would last the same as the tire used by the DOT to establish the comparisson. 200Treadwear would mean it would last twice than that, 300 three times and so on. I thought the logic of that was precisely to compare models AND brands, otherwise it wouldn't be a standardize system and it would pointless. ¿¿??
If you have other info throw it here please.



That is EXACTLY what I posted. Either you get a tire excellent in one of the mentioned characteristics and lousy on the other two, or you get an almost lousy tire on ALL THREE. It's better to get a specific tire for just one motivation (Dry grip; Winter or Durability).

 

it isn't regulated. the only thing regulated on the sidewall would be the temperature (first letter) and traction (second letter). What Larry said is entirely true. Me 'n him know wink1.gif hehe.

Treadware differs from company to company because each company makes a different type of rubber. Whether it be Uni-T (Bridgestone) or TripleTread (Michelin). You can't compare a 400 Treadware Michelin to a 400 Treadware Goodyear. It's a completely different number/rubber. Although they could be SIMILAR, it's not an exact comparison, and shouldn't be taken into account...

If you wanna compare 2 tires from different manufacturers, just take a look at what the Mileage warranty is on the tire. Michelin Hydroedge and Goodyear Assurance both come w/ (i believe) 80,000 mile warranty. Thats where a comparison could come in handy. not the Treadware number on the sidewall

I'm under the impression that many ppl learned something new from this thread.... good job laugh.gif

 

Ok i didnt say these tires are the best in every condition!! these tires are great in wet and dry and good in snow, there ONE of the best all season tires availabile today for the price!!