Is Antiroll Bar The Solution
You are going to get torque steer in all FWD cars. If you want to eliminate the problem altogether, you'll have to go with a real car and go RWD.
Driveshafts are always going to be inequal. The GOOD thing about torque steer is that it means you've got power.wink1.gif In my parents '01 Protege, it fails to put down any power at all, thus = no torque steer.
I would suggest lowering your car. This will help to diminish your torque steer. But yeah, bring your car to the dealership and get an alignment, and please check your tire pressures.=]
Driveshafts are always going to be inequal. The GOOD thing about torque steer is that it means you've got power.wink1.gif In my parents '01 Protege, it fails to put down any power at all, thus = no torque steer.
I would suggest lowering your car. This will help to diminish your torque steer. But yeah, bring your car to the dealership and get an alignment, and please check your tire pressures.=]
Thanks for all your help. I guess i'll be getting the Eibach pro system plus suspension kit with motor mount. With the kit I'll be lowering one inch. I'll let you know how it goes. Thanks again smile.gif lmao.gif
QUOTE (2kShark @ Jul 7 2005, 09:57 PM)
Driveshafts are always going to be inequal.
You really should check your facts before you go off like that. One of the first modern Front wheel drive cars (With a transverse engine with the transmission in line with the engine.. the mini does not qualify, neither does any audi or saab) was the Lancia Beta Sedan. WAY back in 1974 they figured out how to get equal length drive shafts... the car was VERY neutral and it was difficult to tell which wheels were doing the driving.
I have driven some torque steer beasts too. Old boss had a Caddy STS.. even with power steering, equal length shafts, and stability control.. when you floored it, you had to fight the wheel.
So, all of the above is good. A little lower (but not too much), keep an eye on your air pressures, check your alighnment, and install a Limited slip.
Which btw.. the quaife can actually exagerate torque steer. Because it is a torque biasing differential as oppsed to a true Limited slip, it constantly alters which wheel is getting the power. It can make the car a little squirrly when you go from on power to off and back on again.
yes..... torque steer is something your gonna have to live with with a fwd car.... but a lsd will definately help to minimize (imo, a quiaffe will benefit any tib)..... but still, get that rear sway bar and you will notice a big difference in handling during corners.......
Sorry, Mad, didn't mean to go off like that but that data was actually inaccurate.
What I meant to say was that driveshafts are NOT always going to be inequal. The inequal driveshafts is a fault of packaging.
But STILL, this is no cure for torque steer in a FWD car, having the front wheels do all the work!
Even equal-length driveshafts aren't perfect. Why? The linkages and bearings in the intermediate shaft itself, still have torque-output delay.
Anytime the tire contact patches are unequal, you'll get torque steer.
There was actually another Lancia that had equal-length driveshafts as well, Mad. I think it begins with a 'c'.
What I meant to say was that driveshafts are NOT always going to be inequal. The inequal driveshafts is a fault of packaging.
But STILL, this is no cure for torque steer in a FWD car, having the front wheels do all the work!
Even equal-length driveshafts aren't perfect. Why? The linkages and bearings in the intermediate shaft itself, still have torque-output delay.
Anytime the tire contact patches are unequal, you'll get torque steer.
There was actually another Lancia that had equal-length driveshafts as well, Mad. I think it begins with a 'c'.
Torque steer is the unfortunate result of trying to put power to the front wheels of a car. This happens when one wheels has more traction than the other and the resulting bias of power to that side of the car pulls at the steering, making the car want to turn AWAY from the side with the power.
Basically, if you put more power to the right side than the left, the leverage that is created by the biased power will try and swing the wheel and suspension on it's turning radius. You will feel this as a tug on the steering wheel that you have to correct.
And I hate tp burst your bubble 2k Shark, no Lancias start with the letter C... however, all since the Fulvia (in 1966 have been front wheel drive with only a couple of notable exceptions that were AWD or Mid-engined)
Now there are variation on shaft layout. The use of a jackshaft is quite common with Chrysler products and some japanese cars. Lancia never used a Jackshaft. They actually designed the transmission to move the differential to the middle of the car to built equal length shafts. I am not saying that they compleatly cured torque steer, as you said, it will always happen when one wheel has more traction than the other, but on a dry road, the Lancia Beta had none at all.
Basically, if you put more power to the right side than the left, the leverage that is created by the biased power will try and swing the wheel and suspension on it's turning radius. You will feel this as a tug on the steering wheel that you have to correct.
And I hate tp burst your bubble 2k Shark, no Lancias start with the letter C... however, all since the Fulvia (in 1966 have been front wheel drive with only a couple of notable exceptions that were AWD or Mid-engined)
Now there are variation on shaft layout. The use of a jackshaft is quite common with Chrysler products and some japanese cars. Lancia never used a Jackshaft. They actually designed the transmission to move the differential to the middle of the car to built equal length shafts. I am not saying that they compleatly cured torque steer, as you said, it will always happen when one wheel has more traction than the other, but on a dry road, the Lancia Beta had none at all.
It was a Lancia though.: ) I read up on it somewhere, but it wasnt the Beta.
I really want to get a RWD car though, devoid of torque steer, and much better off the line. Rear-wheel horsepower is usually more 'responsive' for the lack of a better word, than front wheel.
One thing I will always like more about front-wheel drive than rear is that there is significantly better traction in the rain. And it rains a lot up here.
I really want to get a RWD car though, devoid of torque steer, and much better off the line. Rear-wheel horsepower is usually more 'responsive' for the lack of a better word, than front wheel.
One thing I will always like more about front-wheel drive than rear is that there is significantly better traction in the rain. And it rains a lot up here.



