i use OEM filter...K&N was crappy IMO, and i use Pennzoil full-synthetic.

 

What oil pickup deal? There's nothing wrong with the Beta pickup.

What does "bore the sump" mean? It's just a pan. Nothing to bore unless you put a hole in it.





The stock Beta oil pan has plenty of baffling in it, so you shouldn't have oil starvation while racing unless you're running low on oil. There's no way you have 4 quarts of oil in the head and oil passages at one time. At most, it'll hold 1 quart before spilling straight down to your pan. That means you have over 3 quarts in your block still.




Edit: We're talking about a Beta here as the OP has one. I just got a rundown on the V6's oil pan by dmdicks and yes, you can definately starve that one as it doesn't have baffles along with other issues. But to say "Hyundai's" have oil starvation issues is wrong.





OP: If you're running an oil cooler, then I hope you're filling up with at least half a quart more to fill those lines and cooler. Otherwise, you will have oil starvation.

 

I have seen it happen with a Beta II also if you have a LONG sweeper keeping the oil sloshed away from the pickup. It is worse with the Alpha and the Delta, but it can happen with the Beta II also. I don't know if the Beta I has a better design somehow to eliminate the problem, but I severely doubt it.

To some degree all wet sump engines are susceptible to oil starvation if your cornering force plus body roll is great enough. Baffling helps, but can never fully eliminate this issue. If it did there wouldn't be any significant market for the Accusump. I have never had the oil pan off of a Beta engine so I can't comment on it's design, but I have seen it happen to a lot of engines while on course at autox events, including one Beta II. It's happened to me with my Alpha and my friend with his Delta also. Therefore, I stand by my position on the issue people can choose to take it seriously or not. In daily driving or drag racing it's fine. Autox or road racing I would say you're really taking your chances if you rely on the stock oiling system.

 

Well, your friend must have been low on oil. I have autocrossed and thrown my car around like crazy. DMDicks, who has been on road courses, has not had issues either on his Beta II. The Beta I and II pans both have a layer of baffeling just 2 inches from the top of the pan. And it's a deep pan with the pickup sipping the very bottom. Your friend's case is the first we've ever heard of a starvation problem, and I'm not going to take that instance as gospel by any means.
I've heard about the Deltas pan problem, but I'm still going to correct you when you make a general comment about "ALL Hyundais".

 

I do have to run 5 1/2 quarts of oil in order to have it at operating oil levels, just becuase of the oil cooler and the turbo. Yet, i do like this setup and i dont know if it is benefitting me know but i am sure down the line it will!

 

It depends on the design. Having not seen the inside of a Beta oil pan I don't know how it's designed. Unless the baffles have one way flow gates they're next to useless. Unless there's a sloped top pan to direct all the oil running down to the chamber with the pickup they're next to useless. With both of those it's a better design than 90% of stock road cars. Even then though, it's not 100%.

Just having run autox (or a road course) and having thrown your car around without it happening to you doesn't mean that it can't happen. It's only happened to me on 2 courses in 3 seasons of racing. On the one course, a ton of cars were having issues with oil starvation that normally don't. It was killing the Miatas that day. My HLA's compressed making the car barely even run. A Beta II GK came off course ticking like crazy which went away once the car had idled for a minute and the oil level was normal. You can run whatever you want.

 

You're right, the baffles are useless. What was Hyundai thinking!



I'm glad I have the pan off so I can get to work on removing those useless baffles they needlessly welded in.

 

Yes, I am welding my flange in for my turbo today and i will post pics of all i have done to my oiling system to show you guys what I am talking about with my pick up tube and my pan and the baffles, that are suppose to reduce crank splash, lol yet under a hefty load all they do is create bubbles, then you get starvation!

 

Don't be a jackass. There is no need. You either know what I'm saying...that baffles without gates just slow oil flow but still allow it to pour to the other side of the pan and stay there, or you're just being dense. Of course any baffle is better than no baffle, but without a GOOD design it can still leave the oil pickup dry. Or I guess that the gated designs with an upper pan are WORTHLESS and the race engineers are just being dramatic and fixing a problem that doesn't exist. And dry sump oiling? Why not just swap in a Beta style oil pan, apparently it's flawlessly designed.

Stop acting like you're 11 and pretending like if something didn't happen to you personally it is impossible. While it could have been a secondary issue due to wrong viscosity, a mechanical issue, or something else a Beta II with the proper oil level DID run low on oil pressure on an autox course at least once, because I witnessed it. Mechanical issues or something besides a bad design? Maybe, I don't know. But you're being a dick and I'm tired of you effectively calling me a liar when I'm not. It's a dick move. Seriously.

Personally, if I just threw $8500 at an engine/turbo setup I would throw another $220 at an Accusump for some extra insurance. At the very least I would put in a real oil pressure gauge to see if you're having issues.

 

I'm really glad you're hear to point out this major flaw that thousands, including Hyundai, managed to overlook in 14 years of the Beta aftermarket and design history.
Man, if only all those people with seized up Betas due to oil-starvation had known about this sooner................wait, how many have there been?














F-ING ZERO!!!!!












No thanks. I'll save the time and effort and pass on your warning. But you can continue to frighten newbs about the issue and recommend modified baffling.