Piggyback vs. Stand alone
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Piggyback's are the devil...... Damm SAFC....
Welcome StandAlone..... cant wait to get the full money.....
Piggyback its only good for very very low boost... but you will always have fuel VS timing problem.... The Fuel with this high price is something that I don't want to mess....
With the StandAlone it can make perfectly A/F ratios.... without reseting the stock ECU from time to time.....
Welcome StandAlone..... cant wait to get the full money.....
Piggyback its only good for very very low boost... but you will always have fuel VS timing problem.... The Fuel with this high price is something that I don't want to mess....
With the StandAlone it can make perfectly A/F ratios.... without reseting the stock ECU from time to time.....
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^I'm not running "low" boost, I don't have timing problems and I don't have to reset the ECU from time to time fing02.gif
We're not talking about FI setups anyway, but about cams (which be ccould be used N/A or FI).
But, I told I wouldn't talk again about that matter... so I'm out.
We're not talking about FI setups anyway, but about cams (which be ccould be used N/A or FI).
But, I told I wouldn't talk again about that matter... so I'm out.
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which is true. we need fuel and timing adjustments for these cams.. although this should be split off into a tuning for cams thread...
Jon, where do u come up with this statement??
how does an emanage cost more than a PRS?? i bought my emanage, all the harness's, the darlington chip to get the ignition part to work, the sofware for the computer, MAP harness, MAP sensor, had the hole thing wired into a plug and play system, using a wiring harness i was provided, and was provided with a base map, for ignition timing, air flow adjustment, additional fuel, and sub injector harness fuel map, for Under $750.. it was $600.00 shipped before the plug and play wiring harness i got wired together..
so my whole emanage system, for $750.00 i just unplugged ECM harness, plugged in EManage harness, plugged ECM to emanage harness, and started up car with a loaded basemap. i could right away monitor all my crucial sensors, MAF input/output, injector duration/cycle, ignition timing, rpm, TPS, sub injector duration/cycle, airflow adjustment, relative pressure, aabsolute pressure, vac, air fuel ratio via Emanage, and then i had my wideband display to keep me company.
there are also software updated that can be installed for nitrous control, fan control, etc. i just havent found the need to install them yet.. all these updates can be found atEMANAGE STUFF and there are TONS of forums with all the support you would ever need on emanage.
you might try and say 'well your cars not even running right now' Emanages fault-- NO my fault -- YES i was having problems pre emanage and pre turbo, they just have surfaced there ugly little heads 10 fold once again..
Jon, where do u come up with this statement??
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The Emanage costs MORE than the PRS and doesn't do half the functions. We already have a base tune for the PRS and a wiring diagram. Where is it for the Emanage? I have Cartech's tuners here and some other popular ones around that won't touch the SAFC or Emanage because it's a worthless fight. But they'll tune just about any standalone because they are basically universal.
The slight adjustments that you would have to make to the base PRS tune shouldn't cost anyone over $100. It's free if you have a wideband.
The slight adjustments that you would have to make to the base PRS tune shouldn't cost anyone over $100. It's free if you have a wideband.
how does an emanage cost more than a PRS?? i bought my emanage, all the harness's, the darlington chip to get the ignition part to work, the sofware for the computer, MAP harness, MAP sensor, had the hole thing wired into a plug and play system, using a wiring harness i was provided, and was provided with a base map, for ignition timing, air flow adjustment, additional fuel, and sub injector harness fuel map, for Under $750.. it was $600.00 shipped before the plug and play wiring harness i got wired together..
so my whole emanage system, for $750.00 i just unplugged ECM harness, plugged in EManage harness, plugged ECM to emanage harness, and started up car with a loaded basemap. i could right away monitor all my crucial sensors, MAF input/output, injector duration/cycle, ignition timing, rpm, TPS, sub injector duration/cycle, airflow adjustment, relative pressure, aabsolute pressure, vac, air fuel ratio via Emanage, and then i had my wideband display to keep me company.
there are also software updated that can be installed for nitrous control, fan control, etc. i just havent found the need to install them yet.. all these updates can be found atEMANAGE STUFF and there are TONS of forums with all the support you would ever need on emanage.
you might try and say 'well your cars not even running right now' Emanages fault-- NO my fault -- YES i was having problems pre emanage and pre turbo, they just have surfaced there ugly little heads 10 fold once again..
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so maybe you paid the same amount of money as the prs.
the reason jon's so frustrated is because we wouldn't let one of us go looking for CNK to buy a turbo kit, right? its the same concept. he's trying to show you guys that for the same amount of money (or slightly less, or slightly more) that you would pay for a piggy back, you can get something so much better.
you wouldnt pay $500 for a hooker to just give you a blowjob. for $500 she better damn well suck you, f*ck you, and give you a rim job.
the reason jon's so frustrated is because we wouldn't let one of us go looking for CNK to buy a turbo kit, right? its the same concept. he's trying to show you guys that for the same amount of money (or slightly less, or slightly more) that you would pay for a piggy back, you can get something so much better.
you wouldnt pay $500 for a hooker to just give you a blowjob. for $500 she better damn well suck you, f*ck you, and give you a rim job.
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You paid $750 for a USED AND ALREADY PUT TOGETHER KIT. So no, it doesn't cost ONLY $750 for the Emanage.
You have a dual rail system, which if someone put it together themselves, would cost them over $1000 to do.
Tim had that kit of yours and got rid of it for the PRS4. That should tell you something right there. And since it's was already used on his turbo Beta and the settings are still there, why haven't you gotten it to work yet? Should be plug n play right?
Your Emanage = $750
PRS4 = $675 shipped
PRS2 ~ $550-600
I may be getting old, but I'm not f-ing blind. Seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the PRS is $150-200 CHEAPER and does a BETTER job.
I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. :dunnu: I show you prices, explain the DIFFERENCE in the prices, and how it's better, but still you argue that the Emanage is a better deal. It's like talking to a brick wall.
You have a dual rail system, which if someone put it together themselves, would cost them over $1000 to do.
Tim had that kit of yours and got rid of it for the PRS4. That should tell you something right there. And since it's was already used on his turbo Beta and the settings are still there, why haven't you gotten it to work yet? Should be plug n play right?
Your Emanage = $750
PRS4 = $675 shipped
PRS2 ~ $550-600
I may be getting old, but I'm not f-ing blind. Seems to me, and correct me if I'm wrong, but the PRS is $150-200 CHEAPER and does a BETTER job.
I don't understand what you guys are arguing about. :dunnu: I show you prices, explain the DIFFERENCE in the prices, and how it's better, but still you argue that the Emanage is a better deal. It's like talking to a brick wall.
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where do you f***ing come up with this used stuff?
The whole kit was brand spanking new, and i sent the harness, an ECM plug, and an ECU plug to my friend to wire it all up for me in a plug and play harness.
$1000.00 to do a dual fuel rail system, youve got to be kidding me? you must not know what your talking about. anyone with machine experience could do it in a few hours, its a spacer , done on a mill, some posts for the rail.. on a lathe in like 5 min, and a simple rail with plugs and a feed. material is like $20.00 and then some shop time, or pay your friend to do it like i did. You make yourself a simple harness whic takes no knowledge, and plug in your injectors, done..
what was used on whose turbo beta?
gotten what to work? the emanage is fucntioning properly...
the tuning for any standalone, to boot up and be ready to go around here is nuts. i asked my shop about the PRS4 or whatever it is, and they said a standalone would be more expensive to tune/ get a good map started for it. i dont want to screw with the ECU for one, i dont need to get rid of the MAF for two..
i never insinuated your blind, but maybe you cant freakin read...
im not saying its better than standalone tuning wise at all, cuz standalone will always rule over piggyback, but its another option for around the same price, and you dont have to mess with your stock ECU, you can take it out whenever you want, or just unplug it and go back to stock. and you still have plenty of ability to fine tune the whole system to what any daily driver or even someone building somewhat of a drag car would ever need. once i figure out what my throttle response/idle problem is, i will bring my car in, with the base map, and get it tuned, using a wideband that i have, and i will show you how much it costs
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You paid $750 for a USED AND ALREADY PUT TOGETHER KIT
The whole kit was brand spanking new, and i sent the harness, an ECM plug, and an ECU plug to my friend to wire it all up for me in a plug and play harness.
$1000.00 to do a dual fuel rail system, youve got to be kidding me? you must not know what your talking about. anyone with machine experience could do it in a few hours, its a spacer , done on a mill, some posts for the rail.. on a lathe in like 5 min, and a simple rail with plugs and a feed. material is like $20.00 and then some shop time, or pay your friend to do it like i did. You make yourself a simple harness whic takes no knowledge, and plug in your injectors, done..
what was used on whose turbo beta?
gotten what to work? the emanage is fucntioning properly...
the tuning for any standalone, to boot up and be ready to go around here is nuts. i asked my shop about the PRS4 or whatever it is, and they said a standalone would be more expensive to tune/ get a good map started for it. i dont want to screw with the ECU for one, i dont need to get rid of the MAF for two..
i never insinuated your blind, but maybe you cant freakin read...
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it was $600.00 shipped before the plug and play wiring harness i got wired together..
i paid $150 to get the harness al wired together so i wouldnt have to deal with it. not everyone is going to opt for that.. nor would they have to.im not saying its better than standalone tuning wise at all, cuz standalone will always rule over piggyback, but its another option for around the same price, and you dont have to mess with your stock ECU, you can take it out whenever you want, or just unplug it and go back to stock. and you still have plenty of ability to fine tune the whole system to what any daily driver or even someone building somewhat of a drag car would ever need. once i figure out what my throttle response/idle problem is, i will bring my car in, with the base map, and get it tuned, using a wideband that i have, and i will show you how much it costs
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I'm in a BIG city, and there are very few shops that are going to make you a custom rail like that. And don't give me that DIY at home bit. No one has machines in their garage.
So, since you agree that the PRS functions better, then lets get straight to the disagreement in cost:
Emanage - $267
Injector Harness - $28
Ignition Harness - $32
Pressure Sensor - $90
Press. Sensor Harness - $30
Support Tool - $101
Fuel Rail - $30 (if you happen to find it used)
Spacer/Fuel Lines/Milling - $150 minimum
That's at the very MINIMUM $728. And I still haven't seen a wiring diagram for it or a tuning map to run this dual rail setup. And I haven't seen anyone running any GOOD amount of power with it. Plus, the 2nd rail system is just cluttering up the engine bay.
PRS2
$500-600
3 Bar MAP - $40
So that's $540-640 total. You are using your stock wiring and only 1 rail, so it's MUCH cleaner in the engine bay. Plus you can get rid of the MAF sensor to make it look even cleaner. We have a DIY wiring diagram, and a base MAP for 470 injectors.
Are you seeing the $150 price difference now?
So, since you agree that the PRS functions better, then lets get straight to the disagreement in cost:
Emanage - $267
Injector Harness - $28
Ignition Harness - $32
Pressure Sensor - $90
Press. Sensor Harness - $30
Support Tool - $101
Fuel Rail - $30 (if you happen to find it used)
Spacer/Fuel Lines/Milling - $150 minimum
That's at the very MINIMUM $728. And I still haven't seen a wiring diagram for it or a tuning map to run this dual rail setup. And I haven't seen anyone running any GOOD amount of power with it. Plus, the 2nd rail system is just cluttering up the engine bay.
PRS2
$500-600
3 Bar MAP - $40
So that's $540-640 total. You are using your stock wiring and only 1 rail, so it's MUCH cleaner in the engine bay. Plus you can get rid of the MAF sensor to make it look even cleaner. We have a DIY wiring diagram, and a base MAP for 470 injectors.
Are you seeing the $150 price difference now?