Currently I have mani/turbo/o2 and soon I'm going to get a downpipe. Once I get all these parts I was looking to install them right away. I don't have any other parts, but I figured I could just detach the WG rod and manually tie back the WG port to stay open. Would this cause any boost? I'd imagine at redline it might spool up somewhat. Would this cause any damage to the turbo? Also I'm looking at what tuning hardware I should use. I'm not too keen on getting the AEM FIC. I'm looking for either piggyback or standalone. Which would leave me to either the SMT-6 or the Megasquirt. I like the PnP side of the Megasquirt, but the it's twice the price of an SMT-6. Is the SMT-6 a little outdated? I'm also looking at the wireless Perfect Power SMT-8. Oh and Scoupe what downpipe did you get? Should it matter. I'm looking at grabbing a chinese knockoff from ebay. like this http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DOWNPIPE-MI...sQ5fAccessories

A) why would you put this on if you aren't going to use it? you're likely just gonna tear it up for no reason.

B) megasquirt only costs that much if you buy it from kfx, there are other options

agreed with likeyoumeanit, there are many other options


https://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/shopping_cart.php



they are many other megasquirts out there...and cheaper than the ones from kfx
the member wolfinsheepsclothing is running a MS standalone and it works great.

No, the KFX megasquirt is Plug and Play, that's why it costs that much. Someone has to sit there and solder and check every single wire, not to mention the sourcing of parts, and the actual megasquirt itself.

KFX also sells it in a kit you can put together yourself, for cheaper.

You have to determine what is worth it to you when it comes to a tuner. There ARE many options, and all will work in one form or another.

smt-6 is outdated.. can't control primary injectors without the turbo/black box. then you will need a second fuel rail secondary injectors and do extra wiring..

SMT-6/Emanage work GREAT with a secondary fuel rail, but can't adjust timing or primary injectors out of the box..

FIC can control primaries and so can the MS systems.,...

you wanna be a pioneer and try and figure out the perfect power smt-8, go ahead.. still probably can't control the primary injectors without the turbo/black box.

not to keen on a system that works great with turbo tibs? why?

your two best options, especially for a turbo tib are either the MS system (kfx PNP, kfx non-PNP) or an AEM FIC.

if i were to ever get a MS i WOULD pay the extra $$ to get it from kfx otherwise you have quite the headache with not only building the unit, but then wiring it in..

The FIC, after the last debate on it, looks like a pretty bad ass unit. I'm still reading about all of them.

The MS unit is CHEAP if you buy the parts, but it's the small things like...

Assembling the parts.

Getting them working together.

Initial tune.

Wiring into your harness.

All those make ANY system more expensive. I've been looking at PnP harness companies lately to see if they could source the same type of harness and do it up for the FIC. NOT CHEAP. These harnesses, just a simple 2 end harness, are around $200 or so.

A few other folks, such as Javageek and some other members, folks GOOD with soldering and electronics, have not been able to do the MS stuff either.

Hell, it's way beyond my means for sure.

If you have the abilities, build one yourself! All the info on how to do so is on this site.

Nate here has some very good points.

Check out the thread we had a month or so ago about all of the differences and such between the FIC and the MS. Lots of good stuff on both. Both have great benefits and downfalls. I personally would love to see a PnP FIC running piggyback, you'd get the best of both worlds I believe.

yeah, i checked into getting professional harness's made, and unless i bought like 10 (would never sell that many) would be like 350$ a piece to be professionally made.

hell, even when i had my turbo tib, i paid someone 190$ to make me a PnP harness for my Emanage..

Dddude, radu, blueRD2 have all made PnP harness's for their FICs. D actually has a spare one that he fixed if i recall.

I just never could deal with the headache of that much wiring and testing.

the good thing about the MS and FIC... both control the timing and primaries.. the MS is PnP or includes a wiring diagram. there are wiring diagrams for the FIC also.. Both Units have available base maps to get you on the road and moving.

also, for those concerned about me promoting the FIC or my site, don't worry.. I WILL NOT sell the FIC as a seperate unit to ANYONE. But i will let you know where i buy them.. www.jegs.com.. I pay full price for them. So if i were to sell them, i would lose about 8$ in shipping. Jegs is NOT the cheapest source for an FIC, but has fast shipping and great to deal with.

wow, that dp is cheap! and it looks exactly like mine. my dp worked great and if i where to compare it in quality, it looks WAY better built than the Tib ebay headers.

also, i still have the intercooler and some of the pipings. if you need them or want them let me know. i can sell the stuff to you.

I guess I am jumping the gun on installing them before I have all the parts, but piecing this turbo is taking so long. Installing it would make me feel like my money is actually some place, but I guess I just need to get over it. I really needed some sense knocked into me.

And I have looked at that FIC vs MS thread. I really don't have too many reasons why I don't like the FIC.
Mostly because I like to consolidate my electronics. Having an ECU and an FIC seems over-complicating the problem.
I have looked at the kits for the megasquirt and that's probably where I'm leaning towards. I am a Comp Sci major
and I know my way around circuits and electronic components....(I used to be the head electrician for a competition
robotics team).

I'm actually just looking to be boosting by christmas on low boost(3-5 psi) with no Fuel Management. I'm gonna try and make a build thread.

the spring of the WG on the evo is 11psi. you can get a 7psi WG on ebay but i never bothered buying it.

and the fic is very easy to install. it sounds like a lot of work but it is not. if you know what you are doing it can take you 1hr at the most to wire it up.

Take your time and do it right, otherwise you'll be selling a pile of parts like so many others have.

^^^

exactly...

do it right the first time...dont rush into it, learn as much as you can

Yeah that's what i've been hearing. Yeah, I'll probably just wait a couple more paychecks to get grab SOCKS's FPR, injectors, and fuel rail kit.
I'm not completely sold on the FIC, but it probably would be the easier solution. When it comes down to it, that will probably be
the route I will take. It's had so much success and there is a lot of support in the community for it. Being how this is my first big
car mod, I don't want to mess it up.

May even implement a carpc into the turbo budget so I can wire everything up to interface. I was wanting to get one for my music and stuff
anyway. Kinda reminds somewhat of what the fast and furious is.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ScoupeLS @ Oct 29 2009, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>and the fic is very easy to install. it sounds like a lot of work but it is not. if you know what you are doing it can take you 1hr at the most to wire it up.</div>


1 hour you say to wire up the Aem Fic?

I LOL at that my friend. I will take you the better part of a day to make your own plug and play harness.

Making your own PnP will allow you for any reason to remove it with no damage to you harness in your car.

Im still learning about the Fic too but im happy so far...

"If you dont do it right the first time, when will you have the time to fix it?"

it should take you one hour if you already know the ecu pinout and cut and solder the necessary wires. i know that making a PnP harness is very time consuming and will take time to get right.

Me personally, i would cut the oem harness...

That's the one thing I'm not comfortable with doing. I'm not about to cut into my harness.
I'd rather sit at a desk with my soldering gun and magnifying glass and make a PnP harness.
I'm sure it would be tedious. But working under the dash is not my favorite place to be.
Also making a PnP harness leaves me with the oem harness, which I could always switch back to go
back to stock if I ever have to.

Both the MS unit and AEM fIC offer what you are looking for when it comes to tuning. But unless you're looking to tune every aspect of the edu, the MS (IMO) would be overkill. Also, you mentioned primarily boosting the car to only 3-5psi? This would not call for any kind of additional fuel management, but is still obviously recommended. The FIC is a sort of piggyback really, and thats what you said you were looking for in your original post. All I'm really saying is that there are people here who have been dealing with these cars for the better part of a decade, and these are the people who find more use with a highly capable standalone like the MS, but for a relatively new tuner, I personally think it would be best to at least start out using a piggyback style management system like the FIC, especially at low boosts.

Here's some things to consider. A piggyback ECU like the SMT8 and TF-10 will be able to control upwards of 440cc injectors in the primary slot using the MAF signal. Why? Because they both have two analog inputs/outputs that can be used to intercept the TPS signal to trip open loop under boost. This is a much better option than the turbo box because it makes the transition MUCH smoother. The turbo box just goes from whatever TPS value to max TPS value with no smooth transition between the two. This can cause jerky operation as well as trip a CEL if the max voltage goes higher than what the Hyundai ECU expects under WOT.
Using a SMT8 or TF-10 to manipulate the TPS signal ensures that you have COMPLETE control over it as well as the ability to adjust what you want the max value to be. Both the SMT8 and TF-10 can add or subtract ignition timing and they both intercept both the cam and crank signals if necessary.
I personally run the TF-10 and LOVE it! It also has launch control and the ability to control a boost solenoid as well as run upwards of 10 secondary injectors.
Something new that just cropped up is the SMT8-T. This is the successor to the SMT6 and utilizes the new Let Ripp software. It can do complete timing control as well as control one subinjector. The price point of the SMT8T is looking to be between 225-250 SHIPPED. smile.gif
So IMHO, do you have lots of options? Yes! Is the MS a good option? Yes, if you a) have the money and b) are not subject to ODB emissions testing. Is the AEM FIC a good option? Yes, is it overkill for your power goals? Yes and you don't have as much support on the forums for it.

I'll probably go with the AEM FIC, mostly because this is my first time doing a boost
and I want to have the most support possible, which we have for it.

I have a question about the Evo turbo. I heard from tibbytib that I could possibly decrease my boost by
getting a universal actuator of ebay for cheap and just make a bracket out of scrap metal. Just as long as
the metal can take the pressure. I was thinking about doing this, but would/does it cause any damage to the
turbo. I'm looking to boost lower like 6/7 psi without fuel management for maybe a month or two, then once I get
the fuel stuff I'll up it to 11psi stock.

Also my other option is to buy a used actuator for cheap and ripping it apart and cutting the spring down. This is the
one that should work, but it's just like a guessing game on how much to cut. With this idea could I buy a spring like the below
or would it not fit? If it does the resistance should be what I'm aiming for. It says 50 mm if there is a specific size that I should
look for to keep as close to stock as possible?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/50mm-Red-5-...sQ5fAccessories

Which way would be best to prevent damage?

These are the actuators I'm talking about.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Universal-T...sQ5fAccessories

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T4-TURBO...sQ5fAccessories

By "universal" do you mean an adjustable wastegate actuator? These I found to be quite pricey. So.... I used a 6 PSI actuator off my old T3/T4 because I could not find an OEM for the TD05HR that went that low, and since at the time being I am still running low boost. this was the best option. I simply made a bracket for it to attach it to the turbo to operate the dump valve since it wasnt technically made to fit the TD05. As long as you make the bracket properly, you will not damage anything. That actuator simply needs to open the dump flapper consistently over time. I used about a dollars worth of some beefy strapping and made my bracket in a vice. Took about 10 minutes.

What you are looking at in the links are more or less OEM actuators. I do not believe you can crack them open as they have a diaphragm you will more then likely destroy getting it open. You also degrade the reliability and accuracy of that actuator is you hack it open. If you are wanting to pursue this route, your best bet is to get a bonified adjustable wastegate actuator and get the exact spring you want. They make them to fit the TD05 with no modification. I simply went the route I went to save a buck and new it would work just fine.

Okay, So I think I'm going to grab one of those t3/t4 actuators and fab up a bracket. I just ordered BOV/IC/IC Piping yesterday and actuator today.
I should be installing it all sometime after finals week.

I'm just looking for a shop currently in my area that can do my BOV flange and wideband bung. Kinda easy/small, but I really don't want a leaky BOV.

You could always use a BOV adapter. Thats what I use and it seems to work just fine. Basically, you are adding one more silicone coupling to your install. Similar to this, but I have 2.5"

ebay BOV adapter