Nov. 9th: I want to buy a set of 2.0 injectors off Patreezy for $25 shipped.
Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>25 shipped sounds fine. And YES they are for 2.0L.</div> Nov 10th: I paypal him $26 to cover the fees.

Nov 21: I get the injectors and they are missing the o-rings and the caps. They are also cream colored (for 1.8l) and not BROWN like 2.0 injectors should be.


I'm also getting suspicious because at the same time he is asking in the wanted forum for a set of 2.0 injectors WITH caps. So why is he selling me these POS's?

So I ask him where he got these?
Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>From veiltib01's 2001 tiburon (lives an hour away from me).</div>

Me:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think they are for the 2.0L. They also don't have the plastic caps with the 0-ring. They won't seal at all without it and will cause a vacuum leak.</div>

Patrezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>That is only true on the RD1's. I noticed that problem as well. (jon) veiltib01 has been running htem without the caps fo a year now and o-rings on both sides. No problems. He also has removed the black spacers between the fuel rail and IM (on the two bolts that holds the fuel rail to the IM) which pulls the fuel injectors a litlle closer to the holes making for a tighter fit.</div>


How are the RD1's and RD2's different?? Anyways, he's basically telling me I should do a "patch up job" on my car to get these to fit. tired.gif

Me:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>So you're telling me I need to "rig" them to fit? I don't think so. You advertised them in good condition, not half complete. I'm not gonna risk a vacuum leak from 4 unsealed injectors.</div>

Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>No, I am not. I'm telling you to put them in the IM holes with an o-ring attached. That's not "rigging" that's installing an injector. You can do what you want w/ the spacer on the fuel rail bolts ( I was just informing...ya know FYI). But sorry, for misunderstanding I won't give you an FYI again.

THey are in good condition. Hav elke only 20K miles on them, meaning they will last you the life of your car (probably longer)!!</div>

Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not saying they are un-usable. I'm not saying that RD1 don't require a seal. All cars require a sealed connection between injectors and IM.

It's just the RD1's have to have that cap on them, Rd2's dont' . I know this because veiltib01 has run those exact injectors with no caps just fine, but I have not.</div>
So now he's going back on what he said about them not needing o-rings.

I argue again.

Then Patreezy gets upset.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Dude you said so YOURSELF the RD1 vs. RD2 injectors are the same. It's just a color sifference and if you look closely the area where the fuel enters the injecdtors has rivits in them on the RD1 and not on the RD2.

for the last time, I am going off of information I know. A friend with the RD2 ran injectors without caps fine...
For some reason when I tried to do that on my RD1 the o-rings fell into my cylinders.

and if you still want the o-rings, I never said they came with them. o-rings are a seperate product. You should buy new ones anyway, and what are you talking about sourcing o-rings, dude I gave you a link i think to buy them off ebay..if not I will. I'm hee to help bro, not rip people off, put the f***in injectors in your car and show me your vacuum leak.</div>

Moving on, there's lots of PM's arguing about these things and him telling me that they're definately 2.0 injectors.

So I finally get around to testing them in a friends 2000 Tib. I pull his 2.0 injectors (which are brown), and put in Patreezy's. His car idles wierd, then I check his fuel trims.
They immediatly jump to +25 trying to add more fuel for the lack of a correct injector size.
See? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...Racer/FT25.jpg

Then I show him the difference between a 1.8 and a 2.0 injector. The shitty looking one on the right without the cap and o-rings is the one he gave me. They all look like that.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...cer/20vs18.jpg

So now I have my proof!!! And I show him.

Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>damn man.. sad.gif</div>

So I ask him about getting some 2.0 injectors.

Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Hmm, so what color are 2.0L I can look and see if I do.
I have been led under false information for long enough. If you have no use for those 1.8L injectors I can trade you for 2.0L injectors (assuming I have them), but we would each need to cover our own shipping expenses to each other.</div>
Why do I have to pay anything else? Not my screwup. Especially after acting like I dont know jack about cars and getting all pissy with me.

Dec 1: I'm asking again about getting what I asked for.

Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>i am trying to figure that out. I have some but they do not have the caps on them.
I thoguht you couldn't get them, but according to you (I think you said this in one of our PM's) you can buy them).
I'm having trouble finding them.
I have a SHITLOAD of other money-issues to figure out at this point, in the middle of studying for finals and a test tomorrow.
But yes I AM able to send you 2.0L injctors if you send back the 1.8L injectors (but they will not have caps). ..yet.</div>

Dec 7th:
Me:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I need those injectors.</div>

Patreezy:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>without the caps? well actually, ONE of them has a cap.
I'll even throw in those damn o-rings, I believe I kept half of them. They are old stock ones 9I don't recommend using them) but if you still insist I will send them.</div>

Today: Still nothing and I'm having to ask/remind him constantly. It's been over a month.

 

I feel ure pain. I really do.

 

Hmm... Got links to the threads?

Patreezy, what's up mang?

 

Here is a link to the injectors for sale.
http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?s...ic=11443&st=20
He mentions on the 2nd page that they will fit the 2.0l or 1.8l. He assumed they were the same. I knew that they were different, but when I asked him what they were specifically, he said they were 2.0's.

Those were sold to me and labeled as "good condition" injectors. But they were missing caps and o-rings. He then tells me I don't need them. But at the same time he puts up a post asking for a "good" set of injectors FOR HIMSELF!!!!
A set that includes the caps and o-rings.
Here: http://www.rdtiburon.com/index.php?showtopic=12117

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><u>So he pawns off the bad set to me while he buys AND KEEPS a good set for himself.</u></span> mad.gif

 

well i tried to fix your quotes, didnt work though

that sucks that you gotta go through that jon must be frustrating

 

Yea, I think the site doesnt like that many quotes in one post. So I seperated it into 2 posts and it worked. But then it automatically converged them back to 1 and screwed up the quotes again. pat.gif

 

those dont look like the ones out of my car and i do have a 2.0.......hmmm but yes when i put in my 310cc injectors i put on o rings on the ends and put them in, ive never had a problem. i know my old injectors worked fine i just pulled them for the bigger ones. for light boost. give pat a break thogh he was in a very stressful place about a month ago with finals coming up. and he was in an acident only a few days ago 02.gif ......give him some time to recoup. i guess his face got all cut up. but you can put in the injectors without the caps at least i did in my car and they DO work.
jon

 

He claimed all along that they were yours and they were running great in your car. did you tell him they were 2.0 injectors?

Sure, I could put them in my car. Then the fuel trims go out of wack and I get a nasty vacuum leak. Why should I go out of my way trying to find o-rings? And if I did have o-rings, they'll fall in the manifold trying to get them back out because there is no cap holding them on.

The "pintle cap" has 3 important jobs which is why I'm upset that they're not there.

1. It holds the o-ring on the injector when pulling them out.
2. They protect the injector from heat.
3. They keep the pintle clean from carbon build-up.


Pintle caps come with ALL injectors. They wouldnt have them if they weren't needed. Yet I was treated like I didn't know jack.


There is also a black spacer missing. It seperates the base of the injector with the o-ring so the manifold can grab the o-ring. Look at the pic again with the complete 2.0 injector next to the ones he sold me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v2...cer/20vs18.jpg

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Screwdriver @ Dec 15 2005, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I feel ure pain. I really do.</div>

Aviv, you have no part in this. Besides your gripe with me was that you did not get your BBTB as fast as you wanted. This was dealt with and taken care of elsewhere, why add needless fuel to the fire..?

Ya know, when we first met I thought you were a nice guy who had similar interests in fight school like myself. But after talking with you over the phone and in light of recent events I have no desire to help you suceed in the aviation industry. Stick with computer stuff or whatever you are doing now, obviously you are not the dedicated and enthusiatic man I thought you were, and unfortunetely...I do not see you flying anytime soon.

If your ego forces you to feel you must reply to this statement, do it ELSEWHERE. I have no idea why you came into this thread, but I know for damn sure you should not come back.

go on...SHOO! slomo.gif

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ('REDZMAN')</div><div class='quotemain'>Hmm... Got links to the threads?

Patreezy, what's up mang?</div>

just read mang.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veiltib01 @ Dec 15 2005, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>those dont look like the ones out of my car and i do have a 2.0.......</div>

Don't worry bout it mang, they didn't look like that when I sent them. It's not important...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veiltib01)</div><div class='quotemain'>hmmm but yes when i put in my 310cc injectors i put on o rings on the ends and put them in, ive never had a problem. i know my old injectors worked fine i just pulled them for the bigger ones. for light boost.</div>

This is exactly why I thought what I thought, obviously I was wrong. and now I am fixing the situation.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veiltib01)</div><div class='quotemain'>give patrick a break though he was in a very stressful place about a month ago with finals coming up. and he was in an acident only a few days ago 02.gif ......give him some time to recoup. i guess his face got all cut up. but you can put in the injectors without the caps at least i did in my car and they DO work.
jon</div>

they don't need to know about that mang. shhh.gif (oh I found your bumper, SEVEN actually. We'll talk later).
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Before I go on, I must applauf your efforts JonGTR. I like how you skewed my PM's/replies to say what you wanted them to say. By this I do not mean you changed them, just that you did not post them in their entirety. LOL, basic politics. I wish I saved all those PM's so I could show these people what I REALLY said. Bah, fugg it...I actually get important PM's everyday. Dammit, wish I didn't delete them


<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JonGTR @ Dec 15 2005, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Those were sold to me and labeled as "good condition" injectors. But they were missing caps and o-rings.</div>

You said you drove a 2.0L, at the time I was under the impression you could install injectors without the CAPS in the front just fine. The reason I thought this, because a friend of mine had done this.

I TRIED THIS. WITH THESE INJECTORS. And guess what happened, there was no vacuum leak like you thought JonGTR. BUT, later on I found out the o-rings and spacers I had placed on the injectors (WHICH HAD NO CAPS) had FALLEN INTO MY CYLINDERS. So I called my friend, as I was stranded in Tucson listening to pieces of plastic and rubber bounce around inside my cylinders....

He said it must be a thing with the RD1's, they must NEED the caps. That was my assumptions as well.

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JonGTR)</div><div class='quotemain'>He then tells me I don't need them. (them = CAPS and O-RINGS)</div>

LOL, Uh, der...

I told you you don't need the caps because my friend didn't need them and you two drive the SAME CAR. LOL, I was telling you what I knew at the time. I thought RD1's needed caps and RD2's didn't.

And when did I ever say you don't need O-RINGS? LOL, you ALWAYS need O-RINGS. I told you to put the o-rings on the front and back and put it in the IM/Fuel Rail. That is exactly what my friend did no problems. Maybe he just knows more about cars, or got lucky or something...hmm who knows.

Oh and why would I include USED O-RINGS with injectors? LOL, are you serious?
lmao.gif
You ALWAYS replace the o-rings with brand new ones. When you buy used injectors, part of the price you pay is for new o-rings. I even took the liberty of sending you a link to eBay where a reputable guy sells the exact ones we need for CHEAP.

...You obviously didn't click it. LOL

Anyways, the o-rings on the back of the injectors WERE included just because I didn't feel like taking the off, and you were going to need to replace them with new ones anyways. Tell me why I should buy you brand new o-rings when you buy my used injectors. The only time you should use the o-rings that come on the injectors is when you buy them brand new. EVEN THEN, you should take them off lube them (and the injector) and then slide them on.

I don't want to hear anymore crap about the o-rings.
my impressions of JonGTR;
"Patreezy, said they were in good condition and they didn't have o-rings, waa"
No shit, cuz I knew you were going to need to buy new ones anyone.
K...

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JonGTR)</div><div class='quotemain'>But at the same time he puts up a post asking for a "good" set of injectors FOR HIMSELF!!!!
A set that includes the caps and o-rings.

<span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><u>So he pawns off the bad set to me while he buys AND KEEPS a good set for himself.</u></span> mad.gif</div>


Are you kidding me, put your emotions aside for a second mang. Take a LOOK at the situation from my side.

NO SHIT, I was asking for injectors doode. LOL. Cuz I needed ones with caps and I thought you didn't. So I posted a wanted thread, I even offered to trade someone with an RD2 my injectors so we coudl both break even.

Do you get it? LOL, quit makin me look like an asshole.

 

all i gotta say is peasy is a good man here on the forums. i'd trust him. maybe not on a plane just yet

and also he's only 17? i don't know squat about injectors and i'm 21. i guess next time pat when you are selling them describe them better? or lower the price or something lol... i dunno. to me this sounds like something that has not been resolved between ONLY JonGTR and Patreezy and the only way to resolve it is to leave them two to decide how they want to get even. lmao.gif