*grabs a seat next to skierd with a corona for each*
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*sits next to jaws and skierd with a hot korean chick for each of us* i hook up my fellow tuners. tongue.gif wink

 

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I see your arrogance will keep you stupid. Oh well, it always was your choice.

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Nope, only you.

Your reading ability is on par with your ability to form a logical thought....ie, jack squat.

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Nawwwwwwww! You're shiiiiiieettttten me? Reallly? This is ture? Well, A'llllllll be'uh dam'ned! Mine eyes hath been opened Lawd! Oh glooory! Praise be! rolleyes.gif

So RANDOM, here's a clue for you THE BUSA RIDER WANTED TOP END POWER. Ever thought about that possibility? Hell no you didn't. You just wanted to look like some tough @ss on your board when someone showed how wrong you still are.

If you still think that a T3 will produce more power than say a HKS GT 2530 then you are an idiot who has shown no willingless to learn more about turbocharging.

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And you further show your immaturity here by quoting me and trying to nah-nah-nah your way to what you laughingly think is a win. rolleyes.gif

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Expert? No. Know more than you? Definately without question whatsoever. I have never ignored a single statement you made that was germane to the issue. You lying about it in no way makes it true. Larger turbos produce more power and when TUNED PROPERLY allow an engine to achieve greater top end. Smaller turbos allows one to greater utilize the power band in certain (I would go so far as to say - most) situations.

Placing a small turbo on a Busa will not achieve the desired result of ataining faster top end speed. You have already admitted you do not like this idea nor approve of it and have since begun your laughable little jihad trying to discredit it. rolleyes.gif

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Nope, this just means you can't read. Its really this simple. Perhaps one of the few friends you might actually have can take the time to fingerpaint exactly what I said to you. If you can actually comprehend what I said, then I might.....just might.....give you a cookie for being a good little boy.

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Then why don't you shut the hell up then? You seem to get off an arguing on the net because you still keep coming back when there is no arguement in hopes of just instigating one. rolleyes.gif

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Pot...kettle....black. Again, get someone who actually knows about things to explain that one to you.

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Again, you keep quoting things totally and completely irrelevent to the issue. Why can't you make comments germane to the issue? No seriously, why? You want to pontificate so damn much, why don't you/can't you do so on topic?

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FOR YOUR PURPOSES. You see, this is what think grates you so much. This guy doesn't give a damn about what you want. Like your arguements, you are irrelevent. For top end, he has chosen correctly, for HIS USES, not your's or even mine for that matter.

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You lie as well as you reason....ie, not well at all. I NEVER said larger turbos were better for newbies. My comments about larger turbos being better was in relation to cars, not bikes. I don't think ANY bike needs a turbo. But, for people who want to turbo a bike, I don't recommend a small turbo TUNED TO SPOOL IN THE LOWER RPMs for beginning riders. Newbies are by definition and reality inexperienced riders. If you think squids would be all fine and dandy with a turboed bike, well.......... rolleyes.gif

You have shown no signs of being intelligent enough to see the facts I have presented as is evidenced by you chimerical parade of macho bullsheet you have been vomiting out your mouth in addition to your twisting my statments to misrepresent what I said in order to (in your mind at least) make yourself look better. rolleyes.gif

EDIT: spelling

[ November 20, 2002, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: scourge ]

 

Since you couldn't figure it out, I'l explain it to you. I used your words in the hope you would READ THEM AND UNDERSTAND. Apparently you are so clueless, you cannot even understand what you are saying.

The point was...and still is, in EVERY DAY USE, you will get MORE USE out of smaller turbo than a larger one.

That was the whole point. It took you 6 posts to realize that. The Issue was USE, not POWER! Take some reading comphrhention classes.

I never said "this bike is crap". I said he would get MORE USE out of a smaller turbo. Ever since then you have gone on this assine mission of yours to somehow discredit my knowledge...and you have only proven you cannot read, and you know nothing other than "big turbo's = more power". You have proven you don't understand the concept of throttle control, you have proven you don't understand the concept of sizing a turbo to get the most USE out of it. You apparently only understand gross power.

The subject of POWER was never mention till your last lame attempt to sound like you know something.

USE was the word...go back...READ. You are obsessed with this big turbo is better mentality. Go back. READ. Several times I said for TOP SPEED (or Drag) a LARGER TURBO is better.

Go back and read the previous posts...I'll wait.

See?

Now don't you feel stupid. You should.

[ November 21, 2002, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: Random ]

 

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You would do well to learn to read before you laughingly accuse others to do so. USE - you have defined it to fit your needs. However, I have stated it before and I will state it again since you cannot comprehend it I feel it may be a waste of time - for YOUR USE. Further, you mistake UTILIZE for useful.

Sure, you could spool a smaller turbo more, but if that is not what a person wants he is just not getting much use out of it.

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You have done all that has been done to discredit yourself, both in terms of turbo knowledge and reading comprehension. You have not needed my help at any point to look more foolish nor do I have any desire to discredit you. In fact, I'm kinda sad you continue on insisting upon looking so ridiculous.

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Well, it would seem that way since you can't read at all nor use logic to any degree. Further, you continue to misrepresent what I said, for what purpose I am not exactly sure. You are either a liar or just stupid. You either ignore or cannot comprehend my many statements about "tuning for specific situations).

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You are the one who needs to learn how to read. I have addressed every issue correctly above despite you complete inability to comprehend such. You also need to get out of your personally chosen definition of the word "use" and realize it means different things in different situations.

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I don't need to. You keep spewing out the same moronic shiiiet post after post after post like you have a point. rolleyes.gif

I love how you avoid my points above (like turbo+squid=fine and dandy rolleyes.gif ) though I don't totally blame you, they were totally stupid and you would do well to distance yourself from those remarks.

What..for arguing with an arrogant idiot who can't read? Mmmmm, a little.

 

You so wonderfully parroted my point (it only took you 6 post), yet you contininue to aruge like you had a clue or a point. You don't.

If you think you have a point...let's see it.

You only made 1 point or statement of fact.

#1. You would give a newbie a larger, slower spooling turbo.
This was proven to be a bad idea. Unless you can come up with any OEM, racing/driving school or automotive trade magazine/book to back up your claim. They all reccomend...and BUILD smaller, faster spooling turbos for inexperienced drivers/riders. Yet somehow, you are convinced you are are right, even though the entire automotive world proves you wrong. You still want to aruge? Call up subaru and ask them to change the turbo in their WRX. Call Saab and tell them to change the turbo in the Product line. Call dodge and ask them to change the turbo in the SRT-4 Neon. Call any driving school and reccomend they change out the T-28's for T-60's. Think they will listen to you? On what basis? Your knowledge? What knowledge? Hell dude, you should be making mad money for all of your knowledge...I'm sure many Rally teams have sought you out to improve their wins. They'd LOVE a nice laggy turbo. Ditto for autocross champions. They must be filling up your e-mail box with request for you to design laggy turbos for them.

Lets face it dude. You have no point, and no clue. Larger turbo's are only useful in the instances I stated above. Drag Racing, Top speed contests...oh, I'll add one you haven't though off...dyno shoot outs. (come to think of it...you only listed one application for your your large turbos...where is your mad knowledge? You must of left it in your other pants.)

Since you seem to have a lack of comprehention as to what the word "use" or "utilize" means. I'll post up a couple of definitions for you.

Use: to put into action or service
Use: the act or practice of employing something
Use: the fact or state of being used
Use: a method or manner of employing or applying something
Utilize: to make use of
Utilize: turn to practical use

A smaller, faster spooling turbo will be USEd more that a larger faster spooling turbo in I would dare say 90% to 95% of applications.

The ONLY place where a larger, slower spooling turbo is useful/need is when you only need power in the top 1/4 to 1/3 of the engine's useful range. (Top speed, drag racing, or massive dyno numbers).

If that is where you live your world...fine. But for the 90% to 95% of us who live in the REAL world, who have to drive/ride our vehicles on REAL streets, will continue to build and use smaller turbos and ignore you and your misguided ramblings.

[ November 22, 2002, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: Random ]

 

Wow! Up to 35 posts and Random still can't read fer shiiiet! You'd think a guy who has TWO websites he would eventually have learned to read. Oh well, its his loss not mine. I just wonder how far he is willing to take his arrogance and stupidity.

Oh, and your point one is just another in your long string of lies and misrepresentations. I would NEVER give a turbo anything to a newbie. Had you ability the read, you would have noticed this several posts up.

Also, could you read you would have noticed I capitalized "SPECIFIC SITUATIONS" as I have done so here. I haven't even mentioned a boost controller and what it allows a person to do....mainly because I don't know about anyone using one on a bike, though everyone I know here with a turbo has one for their car.

So again Random, you are free to ramble on in you cocky arrogant bullshiet manner trying to avenge yourself from some perceived slight. You don't know that much about turbocharging as is evidenced by your lack of reading ability here. You are free to think you are some kind of
master rolleyes.gif or something just because you have some online car sites, thats your perogative, but for those of us who really do live in the real world - a world chock full of turbocharged cars - we will continue to play around and get better.

I look forward to whatever mindless ramblings you wish to post. Its certainly most entertaining.

[ November 23, 2002, 12:14 AM: Message edited by: scourge ]