HOLY F*CK! How many people are going to say something about my or their income? As I have now said TWICE, this has NOTHING to do with their or my income. Read and comprehend what I'm saying.

 

So, ignore what is ethical or good practice, and start a liquor store in an indian reservation?

 

I didn't misunderstand by any stretch. My argument was solely with the use of the term "greed." If we can strike that term from the conversation it will prevent muddying the waters and get this conversation back on track.







That may be you opinion, but public ownership is making me pretty conformable financially. If that's the "wrong stop" then I dare to see the right one.





"Good and ethical" are irrelevant terms in this situation. You're tagging a factual argument with emotion nomenclature.

I fully support the burger flippers right to protest and demand more money. If the management structure finds it economically viable to pay those people more they will. If they can replace them with robots then that's likely going to happen as well. The beauty of capitalism is the freedom to choose. If you don't believe the company is acting "ethically" you have every right not to shop there. I cannot tell you how many years it has been since I have set foot in a McDonald's restaurant because it's a terrible place to eat. Seriously, the food is just repulsive! I cast my vote by boycotting the restaurant on ground that it tastes terrible to me, but that does not make the corporate whole equally and factually repugnant.



There are several places that I used to frequent that I'll never set foot in again for various reasons. I am casting my vote, the protesters cast theirs, and your dollars have the same power. And frankly, if those protesters opt to return to work without demands met, they are just as much to blame as anyone else. If one can't "afford" the protest lets evaluate that. Why do "you" lack savings? What can "you" do without to build a financial foundation? Why are "you" working minimum wage in the first place?

 

So are you saying greed is not a component of any economy?







Owning a piece of paper that says you get a say in how a business you know nothing about is run is wrong. The right stop would be to own something you're involved in. Shareholders get votes. People who eat paste have just as much say as someone with an MBA if they both own the same number of shares. This is why companies no longer make decisions based on the long game. All that matters is next quarter. Gotta keep the paste eaters happy.

 

YES! I am saying just that.

Greed : economics :: yellow : the number apple



That say is limited mind you, but I agreed, Joe Pasteeater should have little say in the day-to-day of the business. However being publicly traded is merely asking for a financial investment in the company with limited interests and possible return on investment. Very few stock holders even cast vote, and even then it's only on specialty events. Only those appointed to the positions high level make the day-to-day decisions. You're misrepresenting the interest-weight of a single stock holder.

 

YES! Trade your integrity for money. That's exactly my point that life is about trade-offs and your decisions. Greed has been around as long as man. Everyone here has some degree of greed, jealousy, and want. That's why we're having this discussion in the first place. It's all about what other people have and the fact that you WANT it.

 

That's retarded. 95% of businesses are formed by someone INVESTING their own money into someone elses business. If that wasn't allowed, hence the retardedness of it, then how will new businesses develop?



Let's just do it YOUR way and watch the BIG businesses stick around while the small businesses limp around parapalegically on their own dime. Wonderful idea.

 

Most small businesses are started with small business loans, not stock offerings. If I give you $10,000 for you business, you agree to pay me interest. You still own the business. It's still a privately owned company. I'm not suggesting nobody should be allowed to invest in a business. I'm suggesting all businesses should be privately owned. If you think purchasing stock is the only way to invest in a business, you need some Econ 101.





You need some Econ 101 as well.

 

So all business owners are greedy, got it.

Anyone with savings is greedy, understood.

Anyone with income is the devil, coo!

Someone with any kind of capital regardless of philanthropy is an evil, greedy, rich, whitey. Sure, what ever you want to believe.





I'm glad we can't have a conversation in terms of facts without name calling or emotional investment. Great job there

 

Reductio ad absurdum.



I said that flower is blue. You say, "so if that flower is blue, I guess all flowers are blue and we should ban all red flowers."



You have a problem, not me.





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