Well that's a shame really. I think those things should be fully disclosed, none of this grey area ambiguity bullshit.





Agree to disagree then. If the site is taking in money, then they should have the proper feedback system in place. If not, then require each and every vendor to have a profile set up on a site like reseller ratings and require that their profile directly link to it. I agree that if you buy something from someone that has negative feedback you're taking a chance, but when that feedback system is something as kludgy as sifting through threads? ...it kind of becomes a grey area. Maybe I'm just too much of an idealist.



I've been doing tech support (of some sort) for nearly 10 years. At first, I started getting the opinion that the world is full of morons that keep on reproducing for no good reason. I became extremely bitter at life. I've learned over the years to try and put myself in their shoes (easier said then done). Take me for example, I'm pretty decent with computers. When people have questions, I try to be as helpful as I can. Linux was a big thing for me to learn when I was younger. If it wasn't for incredibly nice people on IRC, mailing lists, etc. I wouldn't be where I am today. Sometimes you just need someone to point you in the right direction. With modding cars, I'm a complete idiot n00b. There's things you can do that I have no freggin' clue how to even comprehend. If I ask a question, and someone just comes back with a snarky response, then I'm less inclined to learn. If someone points me in the right direction (use search? hell, I don't even know what I'm searching for at this point!) then I gather knowledge and share that experience and help someone else out when they need help. If you go to sites like xda forums, there's about a million stickies for each section. There's good reason for this. If new members come to the site asking the same damn question over and over, there ought to be a sticky in the new member forum. If they still ask the same question, then you have every right to ridicule them



To get back on track, that's one of the biggest things I disliked about gencoupe. It was just the snarkiness of a few (a few too many IMHO) members. I remember posting a joke (and yes it was lame) but some members ridiculed me for it. It's like anything that came in their head, they just blurted it out. Didn't they learn as a kid to sometimes just STFU?! Honestly gencoupe was always a stopgap for me. I liked all the people on genesis-forums and since that site pretty much died, I just kind of lingered on gencoupe until I found something better. So far from what I've seen on HA, is that members treat each other with a lot more respect, and for me that's key.

 

You've expressed your displeasure with the site which seems to come solely from this thread. If you're relating this very large forum with one thread of complaints, disgust, and rants about GenCoupe, I can only surmise that your feelings about this forum extend from us allowing such a thing to exist. I'm sorry if I misunderstood. I find it ironic that a single thread of rants from a few members has turned you off from this site when numerous similar threads (targeting vendors, not forums) exist on GenCoupe.



I've seen quite a few threads deleted recently, which fueled fire for the rants to follow. Many of these were threads targeting the bad service OR personal exchanges with vendors. The language got out of hand, but there were legitimate complaints in the thread. The thread being deleted fueled fire for more rants to come, as the removal of the complaints towards a vendor was viewed as the staff protecting the vendor from ridicule that could be found by new members to come. Your comment earlier, " I come from the world of "look out for yourself" and not "let others look out for me" so when someone doesn't do their homework and gets "ripped off" it's their own fault" is moot... the source of a lot of hate/disgust at GenCoupe comes from them preventing members from finding these threads.



If you're referring to the posts in this one singular thread (if not, my apologies), I'd like to point out that of the 5 or more members that have recently been banned for venting their concerns in vendor threads DID NOT contribute to any negative comments about GenCoupe in this thread. The members are like you, they are expressing their opinions based on their observations and interactions with the forum.



I'm sorry that you are constructing your opinion of the forum based on a single thread of ranting. It's sort of hypocritical that your post about others "being rude, disrepectful, and ignorant about/to GC members" and "Then I come here and find posts calling GC members pricks, dumb asses, stupid, etc." ends with you calling members ignoramuses for posting their opinions and rants. Yes, this is a car forum where people can talk about cars, but if you prevent people from voicing their opinions and rants in a constructive and concise manner, you will get the blowup and rage of threads that were created at GenCoupe.com.



Bringing it back to the original quote in this post, your only complaint about this site so far seems to originate from this single thread. If this one thread changes your mind about the forum, then I take it personal - you disagree with the staff leaving these sort of threads open for members like you to voice your opinion in rebuttal of other members.



While I greatly disagree with some of the actions taken by the staff lately, I do generally agree with them most of the time. In my opinion, the vendor ranting was handled totally wrong and led to more problem threads which led to bannings. Talking with some of the banned members personally during the situation, I know that some of the threads were created BECAUSE of the mishandling of the other threads. It simply fueled the fire. It's not easy managing forums from a staff perspective, it's impossible to keep everyone happy at all times.

 

 

Bottom line is HA will always allow members to voice their opinion without cencorship, and we will always protect the community against sketchy vendors.

 

People like CrookedH who refuse to see the big picture of why Gencoupe sucks so bad is one of the MANY reasons why I left that site. One thing I have seen with this site that makes it superior is that its n00b friendly. No matter how many times a certain question is asked, people here actually take the time to either answer the question or link the answer from another thread. Try asking a question thats been asked a bunch on gencoupe and see what happens.



Heres the other thing. They seem to allow any vendor in over there as long as they pay the membership fee. Doesnt matter if they are crooks, sell bad products, have horrible customer service, negative online reviews, and so on. Another issue...they talk about how the vendors like IS and SFR have alot of good feedback. That may be so, but to allow vendors on their site with alot (and there is plenty) of bad reviews, without taking the sides of the members shows that they really do not care about helping the community.



If a business gets alot of complaints and bad reviews on the better business bureau, eventually their business license will get pulled and an investigation is done by police or an attorney general. Doesnt matter if they helped people in a good way. With enough bad reviews, any business will suffer and be forced to close down so that more people are not scammed. Gencoupe doesnt follow that business practice and only cares about where their next monthly membership fee is coming from.



For these reasons, I throw up my middle finger to Gencoupe and hope they die a rotten death!

 

I think CrookedH just gets off on being a gencoupe groupie. Maybe he secretly wishes he could be one of the nazi staff over there and thats why he has blinders on and cant see the negative things that makes gencoupe a very bad site to be apart of.



Gencoupe is falling fast and people are realizing it extremely quick. Hundreds of people on facebook, twitter, and on Korean sites are all talking and saying the same exact thing. You will see soon enough that good hearted people will be here and the people who are RUINING the genesis community will all stay on their site. Deny it all you want, its a fact so either accept it or continue to be an assclown and be apart of gencoupe.

 

This is how I feel about Gen Coupe









< and see my avatar! Thats what alot of members are doing...Gen Coupe is the toilet...

 

Personal attacks aren't necessary.

 

Agreeing to everything that everyone has said about GenCoupe, the staff, the scam artist vendors, and Auto Guide. You guys should remember that there are going to be people who say GenCoupe is great and the best and all kinds of BS. They dont want to face the fact that they have competition and there are better forums out there that members are jumping ship to. They're losing people left and right like its going out of style real quick. And you know what? All those people who are leaving, are spreading the word every place they go about GenCoupe and saying DO NOT GO THERE or order anything from their vendors. This site on the other hand, everywhere I turn I see people giving this site a crazy amount of good reviews. Thats not speculation. Its the truth!

 

Sorry. I apologize if I offended anyone. That wasnt my purpose. I just wanted to express how much I really hate gencoupe and how they treat people there. And I was expressing the suggestion that CrookedH seems to be the only person who is all for that site and appears to ride the nuts of the staff over there. But please accept my apology if anyone takes what I said to heart and gets upset.