K... heres the deal. I have bout 61K miles on my car and this morn i took it to pepboys to have them put in a new clutch (i was kinda rough on the old one) that i got off of ebay. i got home from work and they left a message for me to call them as soon as possible. I called them and they said that they got the clutch in all fine but my "output shaft" was bent and it was like that when they found it.

They asked if my car was still under warrenty, i said yes, so they told me to call up the hyundai dealership (closest one is an hour in either direction) and tell them that they could ship them the transmission or do the warrenty work themselves.

I call the hyundai dealership and the first guy wasnt sure what to do and handed me off to another guy that said they needed the whole car put togeather at a hyundai dealership for it to be covered under warrenty. and he never heard of this happening b4 and said if they "find pry marks on the case" that it wouldnt b covered by warrenty... implying that pepboys bent the output shaft.

so i call pepboys back and the guy i talked to earlyer left so i talked to another guy that said that there was one guy there that thought it was bent so his (the guy i was talkin to) uncle that owns a transmission shop was ganna look at the "output shaft" and see if it is bent. If it is then they were ganna put it back togeather and send me on my way to hyundai... and if not put it back togeather and call it a done deal.

Now.... for starters what is an OUTPUT SHAFT?
i talked to one of my friends at work that is a little more mechanically inclined than myself and his freind said that it is almost impossible to bend due to being solid steel.
AND what case is the dealership talking about???

to me it sounds like pepboys FUKT it up and "Hectors uncle" is ganna try to fix it.

Please adivse me in anyway possible. since im not fimiliar with what an output shaft is i dont know what to beileve and i cant tell what is bullsh*t and what isnt.

it drove fine with the exception of the clutch when i took it in. what would a bent output shaft cause to happen??? symptoms ect???

PLEASE HELP!!!!!
THANKS a BUNCH
clownboy

 

moving to HELP fourm.

 

Wow, what a first post.
First things first, you can use the search feature here at HyundaiAftermarket.com, use it!!! It is very helpful, topics go back 2 years, loads of info, from warranty problems others have had, to "what is an output shaft"
Here Ill make it simple
Change the topic as needed.
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Get back to us on what you find!!!

[ January 18, 2003, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: Loneshark ]

 

To make a long story short, yeah, It's darn near impossible to bend an output shaft.

We had Jaws021's engine HANGING by the tranny, the engine was unsupported, and we were PRYING on the flywheel/pressure plate to get the clutch release bearing off with 3' poles/prybars...and we didn't bend the output shaft.

For Pep boys to do it, they must have used some really heavy duty pry bars.

I also fail to see how it could have happened durring the course of normal car operation. If the output shaft was bent while you were driving it, you would notice it in cluth operation and normal driving.

Either way, What you need to do, is going to be a bitch. If Pep Boys is not going to fix it for free (which I highly doubt) have then bolt up your tranny, and take it to the dealer. If you have to have it towed there on a flatbed, have pep boys pay the towing bill.

The dealer will be able to determine HOW the tranny output shaft was bent. If it was due to a machining/manufacturing problem, hyundai will honor their warranty. If pep boys did it with Gurrilla Mechanic tactics, Hyundai will also be able to determine that, and give you some "backup" to fight pep boys and get them to pay for the repairs.

Good luck!

 

ahhh.... my boy random... always comes through with the goods. thanks man.

you may have noticed that i posted this question and a lil follow up over at TSR. and yes it is monday and i still dont have my car. yup 4 days now. i know im a big push over, but i really dont know what my rights as a consumer are in this situation.

to fill everyone else in... the guy told me Sat evening that they put it togeather and drove it but something was wrong.... makin noises or something. he told me to call back tomorrow (Sun). so i did around 230 and he told me that they took it apart and found that the brand new throw out bearing i got from aimco clutch off of ebay was bad and they couldnt get one till 2morrow. called back 2day around 230 and said they were putting it back togeather and he would give me a call when it was done.

from what he is saying now... sounds like the bent output shaft really isnt an issue anymore, he hasnt even mentioned it since... sounds fishy to me.

like i said over at TSR... b4 i took it in there was some light chattering sound when i engaged the clutch and as of recently it made it a lil when i excelerated in first and second. and there was a lil vibration in the clutch pedal. my first manual car so im not sure if this is typical when your clutch/throwout bearing go bad.

thanks for anymore info or advise you may have

clownboy

 

vibration in the clutch pedal is damn near impossible. We have Hydraulic clutches. For you to feel vibration in the clutch pedal, something would have to be vibrating within the tranny bad enough to transmit that vibration to the shift fork with enough force to move the shift lever arm, which is hydraulicly actuated, and then that variation in hydraulic pressure is what you would feel in the pedal.

That would take...a bent output shaft, or a seriously mangled pressure plate, or a warped/bent flywheel. Any of those would also be felt in the engine itself whenever the clutch was engaged, and in the pedal when the clutch was disengaged.

The "chattering"...was it "minor" or "major"?
Did it affect clutch engagement? or did the clutch engage normally even though the chatter was happening?

Lastly...Has other person driven your car BEFORE this problem occured? If so, did the problem occur when you got your car back from them?

 

welp random.... finally got my car back last night, runs worse than when i took it in. huge amount of play in the pedal now.... has too b almost completely to the floor, i know this can b adjusted though. and the stick it self is sloppy as all hell. it wont go into first gear if the car is moving forword... even the slightest roll. and when it is at a dead stop and i try to put it in first, i almost get a freekin hurnia its so hard... second gear is just as hard too. and when it is in first gear, there is sooooo much play, its like being in neutral.

the vibration seems to b gone though... it was a light vibration that could be felt if i rested my foot on the clutch pedel... it was still disengaged. and no one has driven my car.

the chatter noise is still there.... i wouldnt say MAJOR but deffinatly noticable. ummmm.... i guess it kinda sounds like back in the day when kids put baseball cards in the bike spokes, or if u ran along a fence and were to drag a stick on it. i only notice it in first and second gear, around 3.5 or 4k rpms. it would also make this noise when i engaged the clutch.... being noticable at some times more than others... i havnt noticed it yet since i got it back but i havnt really driven yet, besides the short cruise home.

i will b calling there manager and getting my old parts back and having them fix the new problems and then heading to hyundai and hopfully they can pen point this damn noise... any ideas random????

 

#1, It sounds like they installed the clutch improperly. If you're having that kind of a problem getting it into first gear, and that kind of a problem shifting....they either didn't connect the shift linkages right, or theres something SERIOUSLY wrong with they way they installed that clutch. I would refuse to pay them unless they offer to fix the problem. If you paid by credit card, dispute the charges. If you paid by check, cancel the check with the bank.

If this is the best pep boys can do, then I fear you are stuck driving to the hyundai dealer to get it looked at by professionals. Just keep good tabs on the engine and sound of the engine/tranny. If any new vibrations develop, or if anything sound wrong...don't drive the car. Tow it to the dealer. It will be fairly expensive, but in the end, pep boys should pay for it. Worst case senario, you can rely on the hyundai roadside assistance, they offer a free 75 mile tow.

 

Has to be the clutch, what about the pressure plate, maybe one of the springs is broke.

Did you ever do a search on warranty issues?What are your plans on handling the "whos gonna pay for it issue"

I soon may be taking my car into the shop so they can look at my autotragic, hopefully they dont tell me that I bounced it off the redline too much and they aint paying for it, lol.

 

lol

why??? how??? why??? could you set up the stage for this? i would like to hear this in detail. ok, maybe this belongs in the humor forum now...

[ January 25, 2003, 09:56 AM: Message edited by: turbulence ]