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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 02:57 AM
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It started with my clutch slipping, but the clutch was just replaced when i got the car. The next day it was very difficult to get the car into gear even double clutching. i check and i was very low on fluid so i filled it up and the problem went away with shifting but it still slipped every once in awhile. I had a friend whotried fixing this by turning a bolt under my clutch pedal which i thought helped but really didnt. I took a road trip to nc from ky so i had a 10 hr drive and the car drove great. when i get there it starts slipping bad again and hard to put into gear. so i stopped at my moms work and checked and again my fluid was very low. i filled it up and went and pressed the clutch a few times then it only went halfway down and felt like it hit a brick. I had the car towed to a friends shop. he said it was the clutch so we took off my transmision and in the process bent my pressure plate. my clutched looked new but i bought a new pressure plate and clutch anyway. put those on and realized my slave cylinder was shot so i got a new one of those too. now i am at my current problem.

According to Chilton i am supposed to have a return clip in my transmission and while everything is put back together the clutch pedal will not budge unless the bleeder valve on the slave cylinder is open. hopefully someone has some insite on what this could be. but just letting everyone know i moved to florida so i still reside 10 hours away. im hoping to find the answer fly there fix it and drive back. thanks for your time
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 06:32 AM
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shop manual gives the follwing explanations for a stiff pedal.

insufficent lubrication of the clutch pedal
insufficent lubrication of the clutch disc spline
insufficent lubrication of the clutch release lever shaft
insufficent lubrication of front bearing retainer


pretty much did you lubricate everything when you were going back together? is it just stiff or NOT going down at all?


i'm like an hour away from port st. lucie
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 08:06 AM
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IF

you put the clutch throwout fork in exactly the wrong way

THEN

the slave cylinder may be fully compressed, and you will get immediate, total resistance to pressing the clutch pedal.

The arm on top of the transmission that goes to the slave cylinder rod end, will be very near the slave cylinder and the rod will be smashed in all the way. The rod end should normally be several inches away from the end of the slave cylinder.

To rectify this, the transmission will have to be separated from the engine and the throwout arm will have to be positioned properly.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 01:36 PM
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shop manual gives the follwing explanations for a stiff pedal.

insufficent lubrication of the clutch pedal
insufficent lubrication of the clutch disc spline
insufficent lubrication of the clutch release lever shaft
insufficent lubrication of front bearing retainer


pretty much did you lubricate everything when you were going back together? is it just stiff or NOT going down at all?


i'm like an hour away from port st. lucie


everything was lubricated properly, and the slave cylinder is all the way out even when the pedal i not pressed. but when trying to press the pedal down it moves bareely but feels like its being held up by alot of pressure.

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you put the clutch throwout fork in exactly the wrong way

THEN

the slave cylinder may be fully compressed, and you will get immediate, total resistance to pressing the clutch pedal.

The arm on top of the transmission that goes to the slave cylinder rod end, will be very near the slave cylinder and the rod will be smashed in all the way. The rod end should normally be several inches away from the end of the slave cylinder.

To rectify this, the transmission will have to be separated from the engine and the throwout arm will have to be positioned properly.


the slave cylinder is all the way out when the pedal is not even pressed. and the forks in the transmission cannot be taken out they are in the same way they were when my car worked
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (tcwhal02 @ Jun 16 2009, 02:36 PM)
. . . the slave cylinder is all the way out even when the pedal i not pressed.


Same thing I said earlier if it's all the way out and the piston is popped out of the cylinder and hung up on the edge: lines full of pressure & no place for it to go.

QUOTE (tcwhal02 @ Jun 16 2009, 02:36 PM)
. . . the forks in the transmission cannot be taken out they are in the same way they were when my car worked


Wrong. If you miss by a couple of millimeters when reinstalling the transaxle subsequent to a clutch change, that could be enough.

Another (easy) thing to do is disconnect the hydraulic line from the slave cylinder. Press the pedal. Does it gush out brake fluid or is the pedal still hung up? If the pedal is still resisting, either the pedal linkage is bound up, or the master cylinder is bad.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 02:25 PM
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QUOTE (Stocker @ Jun 16 2009, 02:12 PM)
Same thing I said earlier if it's all the way out and the piston is popped out of the cylinder and hung up on the edge: lines full of pressure & no place for it to go.



Wrong. If you miss by a couple of millimeters when reinstalling the transaxle subsequent to a clutch change, that could be enough.

Another (easy) thing to do is disconnect the hydraulic line from the slave cylinder. Press the pedal. Does it gush out brake fluid or is the pedal still hung up? If the pedal is still resisting, either the pedal linkage is bound up, or the master cylinder is bad.

you can press the pedal down with the bleeder valve open on the slave cylinder. but question about the forks. is there supposed to be a clip that clips the throwout bearing to the forks?
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The fork looks like a capital letter "F" when you take it out of the transmission bellhousing. The two sideways protrusions on the fork slide into ears made for the purpose on the body of the throw out bearing. They *must* be aligned properly, or you will *have to* separate the engine and transmission again.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 04:54 PM
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there is NO clip to hold the TOB on the fork...it simply rides on it.

when you installed the TOB you did put it on the transmission side right? and then clipped the TOB into the clutch after putting everything back together?
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 05:51 PM
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The fork looks like a capital letter "F" when you take it out of the transmission bellhousing. The two sideways protrusions on the fork slide into ears made for the purpose on the body of the throw out bearing. They *must* be aligned properly, or you will *have to* separate the engine and transmission again.


When we took the transmission off we never removed the forks so im guessing they are aligned right.

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here is NO clip to hold the TOB on the fork...it simply rides on it.

when you installed the TOB you did put it on the transmission side right? and then clipped the TOB into the clutch after putting everything back together?


ok i was just making sure there was not one and yes we put the pressure plate and everything on and cliped it together lastly.

i am going to purchase a MAF and the 2 bolts for the slave cylinder and a new master cylinder and drive to nc and see if i can take what everyone has told me and fix my car..hopefully.
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Old Jun 16, 2009 | 07:16 PM
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For the love of GOD, stop quoting every frigging post in the thread. USE THE ADD REPLY BUTTON AT THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. Thanks.
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