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Posted 16 April 2012 - 08:13 PM

Good questions!

I have not done the flow calculations for the air side of the core, but it is sized larger than the supercharger discharge port.
I should run the numbers to be certain, but my thought is that it'll all work out in the end.

The end tanks are going to be 0.5" thick and mount to the plate the core is being welded to, with the water passages going through the upper supercharger mount plate to a bank of 0.5" fittings at the edges. I'll have to do a render and post it so everyone understands how the water passages are being dealt with.
Suffice it to say, the tanks shouldn't pose much of a flow restrictiin to either water or air.

Once the rough stair-steps on the casting are smoothed out the flow to 1 and 4 should be about the same as the middle two. I'll check with a shop vac and manometer to be certain once everything is finished.


The intercooler is sized as large as possible for the space it has to fit into, I've hit physical constraints on length/width/depth.

The delta-T at the supercharger operating point is 150°F, so at ambient of 65°F my IAT would be 215°F, which isn't that good in my opinion, so the intercooler should at least be able to drop it lower than that.

I'll have to run the actual numbers and get back to you on this, I should have done it from the start...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 12:25 AM

I'm drooling with envy, wishing my fabricator went down this route....

I'm guessing your wanting to to engage and disengage drive to the supercharger ? Toyota used an electro-magnetic clutch mechanism (much like an air-con compressor clutch)on the SC12/SC14.

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j410/Wayne_Anker/supercharger/PB020142Medium.jpg
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 01:50 AM

Yeah, the plan is to clutch it so that I can do away with the bypass valving that's normally needed.
A possible nice side effect is that at cruise or around town I could drop to NA and not have the horsepower drain, but that would require a bypass valve anyways...

It's eventually going to be part of a twincharge setup, with a nice fat turbo thrown in the mix for high end OOMPH.

That manifold looks sexy as hell, but what I'm really looking for some insight into is the bracket that holds the idlers, and the possible part numbers of the idlers if they are off anotger vehicle...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 02:03 AM

The new AUDM grab handle...
http://zarnochwf1.com/gallery2/d/4651-2/2012-04-16_22-08-34_112.jpg

Not much to see really, I didn't take any pics along the way...

New head off a non-CVVT 2003 Elantra Beta II, prepared for spray tanking.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:02 AM

View Post300D50, on 17 April 2012 - 01:50 AM, said:

Yeah, the plan is to clutch it so that I can do away with the bypass valving that's normally needed.
A possible nice side effect is that at cruise or around town I could drop to NA and not have the horsepower drain, but that would require a bypass valve anyways...

It's eventually going to be part of a twincharge setup, with a nice fat turbo thrown in the mix for high end OOMPH.

That manifold looks sexy as hell, but what I'm really looking for some insight into is the bracket that holds the idlers, and the possible part numbers of the idlers if they are off anotger vehicle...


The bracket is custom made and the idlers are timing belt idlers of what i can remember is from our holden v6 ? so chev,
hope this helps

http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j410/Wayne_Anker/supercharger/PB050153Medium.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j410/Wayne_Anker/supercharger/PB050154Medium.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j410/Wayne_Anker/supercharger/PB050155Medium.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j410/Wayne_Anker/supercharger/SAM_0500Medium-1.jpg
http://i1084.photobucket.com/albums/j410/Wayne_Anker/supercharger/PB100003Medium.jpg
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 03:17 AM

AHA!

Mystery solved, they bolted it to the engine mount and the upper AC compressor bolt!

That was boggling my mind since I first saw your bay pics on Hyper...

The holden tbelt idler is a good thing to know, I'll try to scare up some leads on the chevy version of it.

Worst case, I use Hyundai idlers. :D

Since I have a jackshaft to deal with, I'm going to be making my bracket fit between the AC comp and block and use all 4 bolts. Now that I realize the engine mount can be used, I can add that in as well...

Have you had any belt slip issues?
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:00 AM

Well, ours was a RWD version of the 3800 found in the GM W-body, but I don't see why the timing belt tensioners would be different. XGODZX and I shall team up and obtain part numbers for you.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:03 AM

Oh god. 3800...

Fitting I'll likely be using idlers from one, as the rotor pack going in the supercharger is from a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:11 AM

Hey, at least there will be plenty of broken cars to choose parts from?
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:13 AM

It's more of an "Oh god, that's so damn common..." :P
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:50 AM

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Have you had any belt slip issues?


The only issue i had when the guy put the belt on last they lost a part so the OEM betl tensioner was rubbing on the dust cover so i spaced it with a washer and i don't know if it is the quality of belt but it's cracking ???
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 04:57 AM

Oh god. More ideas struck me...

If I used 2 pulleys on the supercharger, both with sprag clutches, and used electric clutches on the jackshafts, I could run 2 different pully ratios, and have 2 distinct boost levels...
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:23 PM

This way lies madness. Don't try to make her perfect she'll never hit the road.
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Posted 17 April 2012 - 10:28 PM

Yeah, that's for sure.

It's an interesting thought experiment though.


More cad work today, did some mock-up with plotted paper and got ready to machine the top plate tomorrow.
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 05:19 AM

Not saying you should do this, but if you were, how would you transmit the drive from two differing pulleys to the single supercharger shaft?
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Posted 18 April 2012 - 10:42 PM

After a 5 hour bath! So worth it to have it spray tanked, saved me some serious time!

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As for 2 pulleys one charger, I'd use a sprag clutch in each pulley on the supercharger end, so that the charger can freewheel fully if needed.
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Posted 08 May 2012 - 12:32 PM

Bought:
16 valve stem seals
9 intake studs
9 exhaust studs
Timing chain guide
4 spark plug tube oil seals
Cam oil seal

Getting there...

Nearly ready for my oil flush and change this weekend, just need to get another quart of mobil 1 in 15W50 for the flush.

Oh, and weather permitting, COILOVERS go in!
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 12:11 AM

Duh low! What coilovers did you go for?
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 05:42 AM

I ordered a set of Megan Racing ones last year, before my other car was wrecked.

I already scrape mudflap over potholes, so no low for this car right now, just a better suspension.

Solid mount camber plates... This will be fun...
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Posted 09 May 2012 - 06:00 AM

Damn I just noticed this thread. Total badass. I can't imagine how many hours you put in this. Can't wait to see it finished!
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